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Old 07-27-2025 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
t's a well known fact that Delta and United make more off the credit card than they do from selling tickets.
Show your math on that, please.
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Old 07-27-2025 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
Show your math on that, please.
Hahaha. Do your own research. Start with your own guys having a lengthy discussion about it on your page lol.
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Old 07-27-2025 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by joepilot50
Furlough over permanent cuts.

But none of the COVID stuff contained permanent cuts. My regional, our LOA expired every 3 months and needing reupped. UAL had triggers when full contract provisions would come back, etc.

Only APA said, " Nah" to all that and said, " furlough away because I got furloughed as well". And the former DCA VC saying he was done fighting for the junior guy. And in an email to a person facing furlough basically said tough luck, I got furloughed too once, and it will make you a better person, etc.
I was actually pretty surprised by the behavior of senior pilots towards me when I was going to be furloughed. Nobody really conveyed sympathy or anything just an attitude of we all get furloughed suck it up. APA made it clear they didn't value me in any way because I wasn't senior.
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Old 07-27-2025 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Hahaha. Do your own research. Start with your own guys having a lengthy discussion about it on your page lol.
it’s not just UAL and Delta
Delta made about $7.4 billion from American Express (AXP) last year, "driven by high single-digit growth in co-brand spend and over 1 million new card acquisitions," President Glen Hauenstein said on the company's fourth-quarter earnings call.

American signed an exclusive deal with Citi (C) on co-branded credit cards in early December, sending its shares up 17% that day. The carrier, which said it received $5.6 billion from its co-branded credit card and other parters in the 12 months ended Sept. 30, expects that number to keep growing, eventually approaching $10 billion.
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Old 07-29-2025 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tallpilot
APA has a very simple philosophy, things must be better for senior pilots and worse for junior ones. If something could possibly be construed as a win-win for the pilot group as a whole it must be modified to skew the benefits to the senior. Once one accepts this, then most of their behavior makes sense. (Following this logic, APA also has more age 67 agitators than all of ALPA combined)

On the other hand I would prefer to be furloughed for a time and return to these pay rates than keep my job at 50% as has happened in the past or worse take that cut, get furloughed anyway and have the cut still in effect when recalled. I hope that lesson from the not too distant past has been learned well.
There was never a 50% anything talked about during covid. A temporary 5-10 hour reduction of the LCWs(like everyone else did) and no one would've been furloughed. I was told "LCW has tentacles in too many parts of the contract." That was code for "The vocal minority IMAXers would be upset." That vocal minority along with the "I was furloughed these guys can pay their dues" crowd tipped the scale into letting AA furlough 1500 and ZTL another 1000. Zeeeeeerrroooooo. IYKYK.

The DCA BOD guy mentioned above had an email leaked saying something along the lines of "I'm done expending energy protecting pilots from furloughs. It's time to move on."

O I almost forgot APA's internal grade-school level spat that led to the negotiating committee being dissolved in 2020 during one of the most crucial negotiating environments since probably 9/11. We had no standing negotiating committee for many months and therefore could not engage the company because like 3 dudes at APA HQ were really really mad at eachother.

There are so so so many other examples it could be an entire thread.

I love this job and the seniority that I have makes my life pretty excellent but APA is a complete clown show and needs to go. It's 50% principle and 50% I want ALPA resources, not APA resources, for the next S6.

All that said I'd acknowledge that there are some great pilot and non-pilot people at APA.

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Old 07-30-2025 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by tallpilot
It's something of a drop in the bucket but it is ridiculous how many times I walk through a terminal and see an airplane halfway into the gate with all 3 running. I get your ****ed and DGAS but for pity's sake just shut one down. You're not teaching the company a lesson or accomplishing anything besides being unprofessional.
This one is simple from an FO standpoint. You get the gist of if CA is going to entertain SET; out or in, or both after the first leg. If theyre not, just time your cooldown/APU spool up to minimize 3 running; ideally Avail (A32F) right when the Brake is set.
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Old 07-30-2025 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Beech Dude
This one is simple from an FO standpoint. You get the gist of if CA is going to entertain SET; out or in, or both after the first leg. If theyre not, just time your cooldown/APU spool up to minimize 3 running; ideally Avail (A32F) right when the Brake is set.
I don’t know what the 320 AOM flow guide says, but the company already tells us to do what your recommending: in the 73 after landing flow guide it says “appx 2 minutes prior to gate arrival, APU start”.
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Old 07-30-2025 | 11:25 AM
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One of my friends is an AA 73 captain and he said there's a lot of cultural opposition to taxi on one, and also they have pretty strict taxi thrust limitations that are hard to work with for the 737NG. At Spirit we used to have a 40% limitation, which was removed around the time I became a captain. Definitely made it easier as sometimes 40% just didn't cut it.

But yea, I've been on AA where we had a 40 minute taxi out and they ran both engines the whole time. That's fuel you could have in your tanks and could make the difference between diverting or not later in the flight.
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Old 07-30-2025 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BusBoi
One of my friends is an AA 73 captain and he said there's a lot of cultural opposition to taxi on one, and also they have pretty strict taxi thrust limitations that are hard to work with for the 737NG. At Spirit we used to have a 40% limitation, which was removed around the time I became a captain. Definitely made it easier as sometimes 40% just didn't cut it.

But yea, I've been on AA where we had a 40 minute taxi out and they ran both engines the whole time. That's fuel you could have in your tanks and could make the difference between diverting or not later in the flight.
They took out the hard limits in the AOM when SET became a bigger focus.

I SET an NG once when we had that 50 minute taxi. According to the CEFA app, that only saved 100 lb. Now for 2000 flights, 100 lb for every one of those is a lot of fuel saved for the company.
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Old 07-30-2025 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BusBoi
One of my friends is an AA 73 captain and he said there's a lot of cultural opposition to taxi on one, and also they have pretty strict taxi thrust limitations that are hard to work with for the 737NG. At Spirit we used to have a 40% limitation, which was removed around the time I became a captain. Definitely made it easier as sometimes 40% just didn't cut it.

But yea, I've been on AA where we had a 40 minute taxi out and they ran both engines the whole time. That's fuel you could have in your tanks and could make the difference between diverting or not later in the flight.
There are zero limitations and the 737 is pretty easy to SET unless it is super heavy. People who never do it are either lazy, have a vendetta against the company, or both.
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