The Alarming Amount of Duty Periods >10 hours

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04-08-2026 | 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer

Idk if the company would want to pay per diem, accommodations, transportation, and another daily min just to avoid paying 1-2 hours extra for the CAs and FOs. At UA, the company migrated to 2-3 day pairing length to maintain the integrity of the operation, not to avoid long duty days. Just a data point here is all

What are you talking about? Long sits, day overs and long duty days were quite prevalent before the new UA contract and now they're all almost non-existent. 1:1 over 10 and the long sit pay quickly created a financial incentive and they almost entirely went away.

2-3 day trips were a result of summer weather causing operational integrity issues, not duty day or rig pay.

04-09-2026 | 12:18 AM

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Isn't it neat? It's almost like a majority of the pilot group wants APA to do something about this, but "they need more data" aka more input from management about what's best for the company.

04-09-2026 | 05:38 AM

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Isn't it neat? It's almost like a majority of the pilot group wants APA to do something about this, but "they need more data" aka more input from management about what's best for the company.

That exactly what they are looking at. If it doesn't exclusively help the top 10% or management then we won't get it

04-09-2026 | 05:51 AM

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Same at Delta.

Our Union says it made your trips markedly worse there. Is that true?

04-09-2026 | 07:28 AM

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Our Union says it made your trips markedly worse there. Is that true?

I don't think they're worse, but I wasn't there at the time. The scuttlebutt from people who were here though, is that it's a good thing. Personally, I tend to target rotations that have EDP since I know it's a good way to juice another few hours out of a three-day.

Also I don't see the logic in how a provision designed to make trips better made them...worse? How's that supposed to work again?

04-09-2026 | 07:39 AM

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Also I don't see the logic in how a provision designed to make trips better made them...worse? How's that supposed to work again?

Because we have a union that teaches a masterclass in unintended consequences every time they put pen to paper. We copy off the kid getting A's and B's, but still manage a D average.

Hell, one of our "lauded" scheduling gurus argues against percentage vacancy bidding.

04-09-2026 | 07:59 AM

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The 10hr day. % bidding and any changes to ras need to happen but APA will get the top 5% 1% pay raises and give up anything good we have. Maybe even our Delta "style" profit sharing

04-09-2026 | 09:28 AM

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That exactly what they are looking at. If it doesn't exclusively help the top 10% or management then we won't get it

I don’t know if the top 10% get any special treatment from APA. The whole trips blocked for OE debacle on the WB has screwed the DFW 787/777 pilots for years. You could be top 1% seniority and not be able to hold the best trips during a particular month because nearly all of them are blocked for OE. Then if they decide they don’t need a trip they dump it into open time and it gets covered by a relatively junior reserve.