The Alarming Amount of Duty Periods >10 hours
04-09-2026 | 05:06 PM
#31
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Wow how did you know last week my 2.5 hr sit turned into 5 hrs?
Also the sit time gets absorbed into reserve guarantee so since I also have cqt this month, there is no way I can break guarantee this month so that sit time I had to endure didn't actually cost the company anything and I see no financial benefit for it.
Also the sit time gets absorbed into reserve guarantee so since I also have cqt this month, there is no way I can break guarantee this month so that sit time I had to endure didn't actually cost the company anything and I see no financial benefit for it.
Example. I have a 74 hour RES guarantee this month.
I get a late release for 2 hours CARVE pay.
I sit for 4 hours. 1 hour SIT pay
I have a 13.5 hour duty day. 3.5 hours EDP pay.
I get 80.5 hours pay for the month even though I flew one 4 day 21 hour trip.
04-09-2026 | 05:42 PM
#32
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Sit pay, extended duty pay, carve pay, reroute pay and short call credit pay are pay above guarantee at Delta. Ask for that.
Example. I have a 74 hour RES guarantee this month.
I get a late release for 2 hours CARVE pay.
I sit for 4 hours. 1 hour SIT pay
I have a 13.5 hour duty day. 3.5 hours EDP pay.
I get 80.5 hours pay for the month even though I flew one 4 day 21 hour trip.
Example. I have a 74 hour RES guarantee this month.
I get a late release for 2 hours CARVE pay.
I sit for 4 hours. 1 hour SIT pay
I have a 13.5 hour duty day. 3.5 hours EDP pay.
I get 80.5 hours pay for the month even though I flew one 4 day 21 hour trip.
04-09-2026 | 06:09 PM
#33
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From: B777/CA retired
Sit pay, extended duty pay, carve pay, reroute pay and short call credit pay are pay above guarantee at Delta. Ask for that.
Example. I have a 74 hour RES guarantee this month.
I get a late release for 2 hours CARVE pay.
I sit for 4 hours. 1 hour SIT pay
I have a 13.5 hour duty day. 3.5 hours EDP pay.
I get 80.5 hours pay for the month even though I flew one 4 day 21 hour trip.
Example. I have a 74 hour RES guarantee this month.
I get a late release for 2 hours CARVE pay.
I sit for 4 hours. 1 hour SIT pay
I have a 13.5 hour duty day. 3.5 hours EDP pay.
I get 80.5 hours pay for the month even though I flew one 4 day 21 hour trip.
That is because you have adults in the room (aka ALPA). As was said above, the APA are masters at screwing up the most simple concept, coupled with a management that will step over $20 bills to save a dime. It’s no wonder there are worn tracks between APA headquarters and SkyView suites.
04-09-2026 | 06:18 PM
#34
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Wow how did you know last week my 2.5 hr sit turned into 5 hrs?
Also the sit time gets absorbed into reserve guarantee so since I also have cqt this month, there is no way I can break guarantee this month so that sit time I had to endure didn't actually cost the company anything and I see no financial benefit for it.
Also the sit time gets absorbed into reserve guarantee so since I also have cqt this month, there is no way I can break guarantee this month so that sit time I had to endure didn't actually cost the company anything and I see no financial benefit for it.
04-09-2026 | 06:26 PM
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At American it is not above guarantee. It still shows up in your paycheck, but the amount of sit pay you receive is immediately subtracted from your monthly guarantee. So if you get one hour of SIT and you are on long call, your monthly guarantee changes from 73 to [72 + 1 Hour SIT].
04-09-2026 | 06:44 PM
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At American it is not above guarantee. It still shows up in your paycheck, but the amount of sit pay you receive is immediately subtracted from your monthly guarantee. So if you get one hour of SIT and you are on long call, your monthly guarantee changes from 73 to [72 + 1 Hour SIT].
No mention of reducing guarantee. Where is this located in the contract (ie reduction of guarantee 1:1 with sit time)?
04-09-2026 | 10:12 PM
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At American it is not above guarantee. It still shows up in your paycheck, but the amount of sit pay you receive is immediately subtracted from your monthly guarantee. So if you get one hour of SIT and you are on long call, your monthly guarantee changes from 73 to [72 + 1 Hour SIT].
Lot of **** to ***** about in our contract but lets not make **** up.
04-09-2026 | 10:30 PM
#38
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This is incorrect. Sit Pay goes above any guarantee. If it did not in your case you should contact contract compliance and submit a direct connect. Reserve guarantee absolutely does NOT get reduced when they add SIT pay in.
Lot of **** to ***** about in our contract but lets not make **** up.
Lot of **** to ***** about in our contract but lets not make **** up.
The other Sit Time topic relates to whether Sit Time is paid above guarantee for a Reserve. Much of the confusion stems from Q&A 15-59 which appeared in the latest clean draft version of the 2023 CBA. This Q&A was not in the Tentative Agreement. The Q&A, as it appears, states that Sit Time will be paid above guarantee. This is incorrect. Sit Time will be absorbed into guarantee (count toward guarantee) and not paidabove guarantee unless the sequence is an OG or premium sequence or after the Reserve exceeds guarantee. This Q&A will be corrected. We apologize for any confusion and hope this additional information is helpful.
you see sit time in your pay stub but the min guarantee adjustment will less by that much .
04-09-2026 | 11:55 PM
#39
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What are you talking about? Long sits, day overs and long duty days were quite prevalent before the new UA contract and now they're all almost non-existent. 1:1 over 10 and the long sit pay quickly created a financial incentive and they almost entirely went away.
2-3 day trips were a result of summer weather causing operational integrity issues, not duty day or rig pay.
2-3 day trips were a result of summer weather causing operational integrity issues, not duty day or rig pay.
I also said “At UA, the company migrated to 2-3 day pairing length to maintain the integrity of the operation, not to avoid long duty days.” Genuinely confused why you write what you wrote regarding our pairing length lol
04-10-2026 | 03:40 AM
#40
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From: AB FO
What are you talking about? Long sits, day overs and long duty days were quite prevalent before the new UA contract and now they're all almost non-existent. 1:1 over 10 and the long sit pay quickly created a financial incentive and they almost entirely went away.
2-3 day trips were a result of summer weather causing operational integrity issues, not duty day or rig pay.
2-3 day trips were a result of summer weather causing operational integrity issues, not duty day or rig pay.
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