eaglefly

I think it likely that the BEST case scenario has something close to what the original comprehensive proposal had with perhaps the addition of PBS. But even THAT scenario allows the A319 to be flown 20% cheaper then DAL's and likely with more flexible work rules for additional savings.

With a large percentage of the domestic fleet in that economic classification, it will put strong pressure on the other two legacies and make preventing any compensation loss there difficult, let alone improvements. In effect, AA pilots could be the new anchor used to drag the profession further downward and likely there's little to stop it. Also remember that the scortched-earth 1113 proposal today called for terminating the A-fund. Some are clamoring for that to be saved, but to trade that would almost require HUGE concessions elsewhere to make up for that as that is a major portion of the demanded 20%. If so, then further pay hits for that aircraft would be likely making at least that sized aircraft, truly flown for low wages.

If AMR's real motive is to get that aircraft to the rock-bottom peanut level in pilot compensation and load-up on them, that could be a disaster.

Ever wonder why AMR wants this aspect of pay banding not just for the 6 year duration, but for 2 CC's or 10 years whichever is LATER ?

Because THAT is where they plan to attack and reinvent the domestic market. The RJ is failing my friends because of its revenue/cost problem. The 125-seat A319 will simply become the next RJ, capturing most of the 55% of the domestic market now flown by current typical RJ's of all sizes.

AMR can drag each of their next contracts out 10 years apiece. Thats 20 years my little bubba's and once that jeanie leaves the bottle, it's all over. UAL and DAL will simply HAVE to join the ride downward or lose money going head-to-head and you can't do that for very long as AMR just proved over the last 8 years.

Carl Spackler

I don't remember if the judge can or cannot impose a contract. Last time around they could, but rules may have changed. The important point to me is that you're better off with no/imposed contract as opposed to something you agree to for 6 years. With no contract, I think your ability to seek self help is a lot better than now where the NMB sides with management.

Don't know all the legal ins and outs on this, so I'd like to learn more about it.

Carl

Mesabah

He can impose a contract, however, it can not contain any scope relief.

olympic

Seems like a scare tactic to me ...
Throw out a bunch of rumors all over the news regarding job losses, then follow up with this contract proposal. Stand your ground guys ...

Wheres Tomahawk ?? I am sure he agrees with the new proposal.

jsled

says who?? If a contract is abrogated by a judge, that would include scope. What really sucks about this 1113 proposal, is that years down the road, I will have to read posts by a bunch of newbie rj drivers stating..."If the AA guys wouldn't have traded scope for money, we wouldn't be in this situation". Just like they say now about UAL. Even though at the same time we got the 70 seaters rammed down our throat thru the 1113 process, we got a 28% paycut!! What a trade!!

Good luck AA dudes. And i mean that. Don't let the forum "experts" get your blood pressure up.

Sled

Iowa Farm Boy

I usually see that quote as a response to a Legacy guy's statement that the "regional" pilots are the ones taking down the industry.

ONLY when we all start to work together and help each other will things start to improve. So long as the prevailing attitude is "I'm on board, pull up the ladder," we as a profession are doomed to someday look much like those frequenting truck stops, albeit with astronomical student loans. Mgt doesn't have to divide and conquer. They just have to make sure it remains status quo.

Best of luck, AA. Stay together and stay strong.

JP1234

I randomly saw this while flipping through the news last night. I am not a big MSNBC fan, but found this video very interesting... It's about AMR and Pension Plans which are insured by PBGC.

http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...JhXRbHPk.email

NERD

Correction: Your pilot group voted for this. It was not forced.

gearcrankr

Where would these 1113 proceedings take place? Or doesn't it really matter? Are the parties involved allowed to shop for judges?

Best of luck to AA flightcrews.

IADBLRJ41

In the letter to the AA employee's management asks for savings that equal around 20 percent. The cuts proposed in this document is well north of that figure. I would imagine they are most interested in the pension, scope, and some work rule adjustments.

Either way a sad statement on the industry and I hope the AA pilots can find a way through this mess.