DashDriverYV

Yeah get hired, get a 73 type and apply to southwest.

eaglefly

......or Airbus and save Spirit or Jet Blue, etc., training costs !

Flavio340

This is just the opener of the company of course they are going to shoot for their most "idealistic" contract. If anything I like this proposal as is shows AA managements "view" of the negotiating power of APA. AA has just showed their hand and they are backed into a corner. Stand strong guys and don't give in the company will cave!!! Set the bar for the rest of your employee groups to follow.

flyguy23

As much as I love your optimism, this isn't a normal negotiation. Management has the upper hand in an enormous way as they know a judge will almost certainly side with them. This is just a replay of previous legacy bankruptcies. This really sucks for the whole industry. Feel horrible for the american guys/gals.

More Bacon

It was nauseating to read. Truly horrific.

Flavio340

The judge cannot "impose" a new contract. There are three options: 1) Status quo contract; 2) Agree to a new jointly agreed upon contract; 3) Elimination of the current CBA.

That being said the pilots will not come out unscathed, but they can control what and how much they give up.

Just my opinion, but code share and scope are the two most important items to protect. I think code share can be protect at the cost of scope. Scope can be protected at the cost of a 'B' scale. AA meet Compass Airlines, Compass Airlines meet AA. I'll just leave you two to get better acquainted.

NERD

flyguy,

Quit being such a sissy. This is mgmts. version of shock and awe, just as APA opener a few years ago was. Neither are realistic and neither will come to fruition. NWA mgmt did this and I'm sure UAL, DAL, and usair did too. They list their must haves with most being throw aways or at least watered down in the end. This gets the attention of the pilots, scares the crap out of most and allows the APA to get a few "wins" and declare a TA victory with unanomous backing by all but the most rabid reps. They will get a final TA close to DAL, UALs or the very worst LCC. Doubt it will be a 6 year either, bet on 4. They will have a very ****ed off pilot group that won't do a thing extra. They will experience massive flight cancelations and delays the first year out of ch11 and will concede in LOAs some givebacks. Been there done that(NWA summer 2007)thank you DC9 and A320 drivers If, and I really mean if, AA thinks they will get all of this and plays hardball to the end, it will be the end of AA.

eaglefly

Agreed and well put. One month now to negotiate and if AMR considers this their "last, best and final" offer, then they'll never build a quality competitor out of AA. DAL and UAL will eat them alive. At best, pilot-wise, you'll get a core group of minimal effort slackers and a larger groups of transient on-their-way-to-somewhere-elses. Even U would pass AA up. F/A's and mechanics won't be far behind.

Not sure if AA would even HAVE a mechanic under the current plan ?

2wright

Ok agreed. But AMR has just demonstrated that number 1 is not an option. That leaves number 2 -- agree to a new contract or number 3 -- elimination of the current CBA -- in which case AMR is free to dictate the terms conditions of employment. They've now shown what those terms and conditions will look like.

You rightfully make the point that the judge can't impose something in between the status quo and the complete elimination of the CBA. So if push comes to shove, the judge via 1113 will vacate the current contract because leaving the current contract in place will simply not be feasible. Therefore, the APA is negotiating with a gun to their head and has very little leverage to improve upon this proposal. It will improve some, but not by leaps and bounds. As others have pointed out, this is NOT normal negotiations.

Shaggy1970

They are taking us down one at a time! This has to stop, we all need to make a stand or no job in the airline industry is going to be worth anything. I wish the so called unions would get off their a$$'s and call for a national walk out. What are they going to do to all of us?