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Old 05-05-2012 | 07:50 PM
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some points, while valid, are too simplistic to wave a magic want and make happen overnight.

stop the hub/spoke system
stop pricing tickets so low
the concept that growing up in an airline family = know how the run the airline as a corporation

etc.

again he has valid points, however some points just can't be easily fixed. I commend his pride and commitment to making the industry better, we need more people like that.
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Old 05-05-2012 | 08:21 PM
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Dramahawk aka Tom Horton or Jeffery Brundage is not going to like this
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Old 05-06-2012 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
Dramahawk aka Tom Horton or Jeffery Brundage is not going to like this
I don't think Tomahawk is Tom Horton. Wasting his time on low-yield pilot forums is beneath him and if they actually thought that would be effective strategy, it would be delegated down fairly far. Doubt he's Brundage either (although since that position adjustment, he HAS been absent).

Right now nothing really to debate, discuss as we're in another valley in this stormy sea. The next crest will be week after next when the unions make their case in court. My understanding was there was no negotiations last week, but perhaps there will be this week. I think the unions have a real good shot of getting the judge to stay any imposition of the 1113's and direct the parties to continue (actually start) negotiations.
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Old 05-06-2012 | 11:15 AM
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I thought it a little odd that he spent the first minute and a half talking how his father, who was a mechanic for the airlines, was jacked around by all the companies. He chooses to go to work for an airline and now he is shocked that it is happening to him.
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Old 05-06-2012 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
I don't think Tomahawk is Tom Horton. Wasting his time on low-yield pilot forums is beneath him and if they actually thought that would be effective strategy, it would be delegated down fairly far. Doubt he's Brundage either (although since that position adjustment, he HAS been absent).
Have you ever met a vulture? ...
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Old 05-06-2012 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
I don't think Tomahawk is Tom Horton. Wasting his time on low-yield pilot forums is beneath him and if they actually thought that would be effective strategy, it would be delegated down fairly far. Doubt he's Brundage either (although since that position adjustment, he HAS been absent).

Right now nothing really to debate, discuss as we're in another valley in this stormy sea. The next crest will be week after next when the unions make their case in court. My understanding was there was no negotiations last week, but perhaps there will be this week. I think the unions have a real good shot of getting the judge to stay any imposition of the 1113's and direct the parties to continue (actually start) negotiations.
I appreciate the fact that I'm missed . I do enjoy the discourse that takes place here. My predictions are these:

1. The company will in fact retain the exclusivity period and will present a POR that will be accepted by the majority of creditors.

2. The APA after attempting to sell out the membership for 30 pieces of silver will return to the table. While they truly have no interest in spending the next 10-15 years in court debating seniority integration issues, they do want to better the deal. I'm all for that if it results in a stronger and more competitive AA!

3. Mr. Parker plan is a house of cards built on fake promises that won't stand the test of time. The real danger here is that the APA succeeds in collecting their 30 pieces of silver and the rest of us pay for it a few years remove when the combined identity re-entered BK for the third time.

4. I do believe Mr. Parker alternate POR when presented this fall will be rejected by the majority of the creditors committee. See my "house of cards" comment above.

5. The ultimate irony for US will be the merger of AA and B6 thus forever sealing US's status as an also-ran.

Eaglefly is correct, neither Mr. Horton or Brundage would spend any time here. But I'm a pilot who's a diehard AAer, and I won't be cowed by the emotional comments posted here.

All the "fantasy merger" talk that has consume this forum is laughable. The APA will not be determining the future of AA or any other airline in the near or distant future.

Cheers
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Old 05-06-2012 | 01:17 PM
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You don't sound like a pilot ... no offense.
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Old 05-06-2012 | 01:55 PM
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Seems that a choice between merging into a profitable carrier with improved total compensation or an alternative of gutted wages and the same problems that created a bankruptcy isn't much of a choice.
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Old 05-06-2012 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by labbats
Seems that a choice between merging into a profitable carrier with improved total compensation or an alternative of gutted wages and the same problems that created a bankruptcy isn't much of a choice.
You're right, I don't know what the heck I was thinking. For a second there I could have sworn that AA's rates in either scenario are well above US's. Maybe we all woke up in the twilight zone.

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Old 05-06-2012 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by olympic
You don't sound like a pilot ... no offense.
None taken.

It can be hard to believe that not everyone falls for promises scripted in sand or desire his company to succeed with a model hat ensures long-term viability.
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