The current situation is somewhat precedent setting I must admit, however this opens the door for further litigation if a Nic cram down occurs. Remember the APA is also bound to DFR east and west. I'm sure they are aware of what may happen if they bring our bar fight on to their banquet hall.

 

So what do you think carries more of a dfr risk for the apa, following an existing contract they inherit or modifying it to mAke the east minority happy?

P.S. Do you question the absurd amount of evidence the west has of the east and usapa ACTIVELY avoiding the Nic.?

 

Im sure the LOVE for the flow througs is equaly tangible. You know for a guy
Whos been at AA for just under two years, you sure toot your horn. I bet you voted for the 16 year contract at AE, just to get a back door in to AA..............E

 

Well, the belief among Eagle pilots is that they are universally hated by AA pilots. I elected to arrive with an open mind and found that to be untrue. I can say that since arriving, I've been treated with respect by virtually every AA pilot I've met since my arrival. I have yet to fly with an intolerable captain, although I'm sure sooner or later that will occur as the "5% rule" generally applies at all carriers, large and small. That applies to AA's training dept. which I found refreshingly good (I completd my new-hire training program within the "footprint" and needed no additional ground, sim or IOE).

I'm afraid you'll have to chalk up another faliure in your assumptions.


I'm just as much an AA pilot as any other pilot and looked upon that way by 95%, unlike your perception of those on the west who are apparently beneath you as "bottom feeders". To add ANOTHER error in your multitude of erronous assumptions, the flow-thru agreement was in place PRIOR to the '97 16-year contract, so no pilot voted for or against it on that issue. As for that agreement, I did in fact vote against it (both times), but I couldn't care less what you think about that. Its ratification was ensured by a corrupt group that modified the parameters of the second vote to make sure it passed. Actually, by the time that contract matured, it was arguably a good one considering other regionals out there. I made as much money annually flying a plane with less then half the seats of some of your narrowbodies then your captains do today.

It's okay Little Boy Blew, I'm sympathetic to your situation.

Obviously, you needed the money !

 

You must have pranced around your high school going FRESHMAN have no rights, only seniors matter!! Student council should only be made up of seniors, because freshman have no rights.

Why should anyone younger than you be allowed to vote in the United States. Maybe next time a draft comes only someone your age and older should be allowed to be drafted.

 

You guys must understand, on the east, guys like blew balls are the majority. They cannot comprehend any other line of thought, no matter how crystal clear the evidence is.

 

Its very very very hard for people to ever admit they are wrong. People have killed thousands-millions just to avoid admitting they might be wrong.

 

Yup, and in the easts case they refuse to educate themselves, anything that goes against their views is immediatelly discarded, it really is a cultural issue back there. As an examPle, during the nicolau arbitration, the west pilots were given the actual transcripts of the hearings every day, on the east they thought the pilots couldn't handle it so they wrote an update every night. The update the east got was simple, "we won again today" was pretty much every single update they ever got, truly unbeleivable. Btw that very thought process continues today, with their leadership assuring them ultimate victory is right around the corner , truly sad

 

How many east pilots do you actually know? Personally?

 

Whoaa there ACE. Check your facts. The flow thru/chiny jets carrot were the Crown Jewels of the 97 AE 16 year contract. Negotiated by a certain HP and endorsed by RB the ALPO Prez during that period. No pension, no right to strike, and industry based indexing for pay.
I can see how YOU side with the west in our dispute. It appears that you have also benefited from a controversial arbitrated award. Tell me, wasn't G. Nicolau (our G Nicolau) the same arbitrator that gave YOU a winning lottery ticket? TWA furloughs in particular, have seen their furlough extended by at least two decades, while you enjoy being a 5th yr. pay, line holding AA flowthru on your first day in class. I can see how your cut from the same cloth as our western counterparts. I'm surprised that you never considered AW as a potential employer. Or perhaps no interview invite or worse? What say you?
As far as pay is concerned I will bow to your claim. The pay here at US east is pathetic. But its not how much you make, but what you do with your money that matters. Needless to say I've bought MANY beers for good friends at Delta, FedEx, and AA throughout the years. It seems my buddies are counting every penny. It must be tough getting by on $165,000/yr.
I do appreciate your concern for my economic health. I can assure you that I will survive. In your case, might have to sell that shiny Vett if that 1113c goes through.
Have a nice career ACE, I have no need to argue with one as eloquent and well INFORMED as yourself. Oh well back to lurking.