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08-28-2012, 02:13 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Would the motivation be any greater for E/W to agree on a SLI to present to APA as opposed to a SLI to move forward with their own contract during the past several years?
Now previously when AWA and U merged, that is what eventually occured, did it not ?
It was ruled upon and the only reason I see that it isn't in place was a majority who didn't like the result had the ability to decertify the union, form their own and essentially exploit an "end run" around a resolution they disliked by dominating the minority. That option will likely not be available this time though. Prior to starting that process all over again, I would THINK that only 2 lists would be accepted for and future arbitration on a merger SLI.
08-28-2012, 02:42 PM
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Yea that would make complete logical sense, but with the past as a guide you never know what will happen. I was just thinking since the two groups are still separate carriers that the merger would be treated as a three way (giggity!) with AA/US/HP.
08-28-2012, 04:32 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
I was just thinking since the two groups are still separate carriers that the merger would be treated as a three way (giggity!) with AA/US/HP.
The pilot groups have separate CBA's, that's the only separation.
Single operating certificate.
08-28-2012, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyJim
That is an incorrect statement.
The pilot groups have separate CBA's, that's the only separation.
Single operating certificate.
The pilot groups have separate CBA's, that's the only separation.
Single operating certificate.
08-28-2012, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I have a lot of friends at USAIR. The question of if you negotiate a 3 way new list or a 2 way list using Nic for both E and W USAIR pilots is near and dear to every USAIR pilot and which choice you would like to see depends on if your east or west.
One fact however is that it may be likely for USAIR that regardless of which method ends up being used it may not functionally change the makeup of the final SLI if the merger happens. This is because the arbitration community is a very close knit small group. Whoever is assigned the AA SLI will be very aware of the NIC ruling and is not likely to step on the prior ruling. This is one reason why any union should be very careful on what they bring to arbitration and how they conduct themselves with the NMB and in arbitration. When you spit in the arbitration communities face and call them incompetent it does not bode well for you the next time you have to use their services. Every union should keep that in mind. Solid leadership is often required to maintain the type of relationship you need with the NMB even though it may go against the wishes of many in a specific union group.
One fact however is that it may be likely for USAIR that regardless of which method ends up being used it may not functionally change the makeup of the final SLI if the merger happens. This is because the arbitration community is a very close knit small group. Whoever is assigned the AA SLI will be very aware of the NIC ruling and is not likely to step on the prior ruling. This is one reason why any union should be very careful on what they bring to arbitration and how they conduct themselves with the NMB and in arbitration. When you spit in the arbitration communities face and call them incompetent it does not bode well for you the next time you have to use their services. Every union should keep that in mind. Solid leadership is often required to maintain the type of relationship you need with the NMB even though it may go against the wishes of many in a specific union group.
08-29-2012, 07:18 AM
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The "Nic" can only be implemented IF a joint E/W cba is ratified. As we all know THAT has not happened. Kirby, among others, has mentioned that in case of a AA/US merger, a 3 party process would be pursued.
08-29-2012, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by LittleBoyBlew
The "Nic" can only be implemented IF a joint E/W cba is ratified. As we all know THAT has not happened. Kirby, among others, has mentioned that in case of a AA/US merger, a 3 party process would be pursued.
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