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12-07-2012, 01:37 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by Iowa Farm Boy
AA will become the TWA (1990s) of tomorrow. People will get hired and stay long enough to get hired by someone else.
The low 1st year pay will be fixed before long. What was DAL, UAL's first year pay with their BK contracts? Guarantee it wasn't $60/hr.
All I'm trying to point out here is that AA wasn't going to exit BK with a DAL/UAL-style contract. DAL is on its 3rd post BK contract, UAL as well. AA will be no different. This thing will get better - ESPECIALLY with a merger.
12-07-2012, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by aa73
Yeah right. 10,000 apps the day they announce hiring easily.
The low 1st year pay will be fixed before long. What was DAL, UAL's first year pay with their BK contracts? Guarantee it wasn't $60/hr.
All I'm trying to point out here is that AA wasn't going to exit BK with a DAL/UAL-style contract. DAL is on its 3rd post BK contract, UAL as well. AA will be no different. This thing will get better - ESPECIALLY with a merger.
The low 1st year pay will be fixed before long. What was DAL, UAL's first year pay with their BK contracts? Guarantee it wasn't $60/hr.
All I'm trying to point out here is that AA wasn't going to exit BK with a DAL/UAL-style contract. DAL is on its 3rd post BK contract, UAL as well. AA will be no different. This thing will get better - ESPECIALLY with a merger.
If there is no merger, how is first year pay improved ?
12-07-2012, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by aa73
Yeah right. 10,000 apps the day they announce hiring easily.
The low 1st year pay will be fixed before long. What was DAL, UAL's first year pay with their BK contracts? Guarantee it wasn't $60/hr.
All I'm trying to point out here is that AA wasn't going to exit BK with a DAL/UAL-style contract. DAL is on its 3rd post BK contract, UAL as well. AA will be no different. This thing will get better - ESPECIALLY with a merger.
The low 1st year pay will be fixed before long. What was DAL, UAL's first year pay with their BK contracts? Guarantee it wasn't $60/hr.
All I'm trying to point out here is that AA wasn't going to exit BK with a DAL/UAL-style contract. DAL is on its 3rd post BK contract, UAL as well. AA will be no different. This thing will get better - ESPECIALLY with a merger.
AA pilots are going to be stuck with this for a l-o-n-g time.
12-07-2012, 08:31 PM
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Seems like people in the finance world think the merger is pretty much a sure thing now.
I'm starting to think the same as well. I originally thought since there was no announcement that it was because the creditors didn't want to really do it. Now it seems they were waiting for Horton to get his house in order to even come up with a plan that they could compare with to Parker's plan. The delay after delay only made Horton look like a weak and inefficient leader while making Parker that much better because of the speed at which he was able to get all the unions on board.
From what I've been able to piece together from all the news articles and soundbites it seems like everyone from the unions to the UCC and wall street all want Horton out.
I'm starting to think the same as well. I originally thought since there was no announcement that it was because the creditors didn't want to really do it. Now it seems they were waiting for Horton to get his house in order to even come up with a plan that they could compare with to Parker's plan. The delay after delay only made Horton look like a weak and inefficient leader while making Parker that much better because of the speed at which he was able to get all the unions on board.
From what I've been able to piece together from all the news articles and soundbites it seems like everyone from the unions to the UCC and wall street all want Horton out.
12-07-2012, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by aa73
When the merger happens, this TA will be history. We'll be negotiating up from it. Happened with DAL and UAL. It'll happen here too. This TA is simply a bridge to the merger contract. I give it a year or two tops.
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