USAPA Board Approves MOU
01-05-2013, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
Not that you know much about what you are talking, in any event the MOA is not about seniority lists but rather contract improvements. Now as for the other, the company (LCC) recently sent a letter to the NMB where it they stated that the only list they recognize is the nic list. The only way they will not use it is if a court says otherwise. Now they court has already told usapa and the company and I quote, " a list produced by a neutral third party IS POWERFUL EVIDENCE OF A FAIR PROCESS. Now unless usapa can pull a rabbit out of a hat and produce a LEGITIMATE UNION PURPOSE, the nic will be used. Now this may be a deal killer in your mind but rest assured young man that no one here in management cares about your mind. In other words, your ability to kill any deal has already evaluated and steps taken to render you/the east insignificant.
This deal will go on UNLESS the ucc decides otherwise and no other reason. Management will submit the nic list for all LCC pilots and from there we enter negotiations with APA.
Now you can save your childish remarks and snide comments about what I've just told you because basically no one cares least of all me.
WD at AWA
This deal will go on UNLESS the ucc decides otherwise and no other reason. Management will submit the nic list for all LCC pilots and from there we enter negotiations with APA.
Now you can save your childish remarks and snide comments about what I've just told you because basically no one cares least of all me.
WD at AWA
I was talking to Wood, not you. Spread your venom somewhere else. I'll ask for your imput when I want it. There is reality and there is what you come up with. You are in for a long and angry career if you don't screw the pooch first, son.
01-05-2013, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
The company (LCC) recently sent a letter to the NMB where it they stated that the only list they recognize is the nic list. The only way they will not use it is if a court says otherwise. Now they court has already told usapa and the company and I quote, "a list produced by a neutral third party IS POWERFUL EVIDENCE OF A FAIR PROCESS." Now unless usapa can pull a rabbit out of a hat and produce a LEGITIMATE UNION PURPOSE, the nic will be used.
Any SLI process between AA and LCC will use the APA and Nic seniority lists. And WD is correct...the ONLY reason management has let this thing drag on so long is YOU have given them a de facto B scale for the last 6 years.
Well done, fellas.
01-05-2013, 08:26 AM
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Seniority is addressed in this MOU but it only goes as far as laying ou the MB process after a jcba is ratified. I don't pretend to know which list will be used but I do know which won't and that is the east holes wet dream of DOH. So back east they are running around ecstatic because they believe it will be a 3 way, so their stealing of west jobs puts them at a much higher relative seniority than they were in 2005. As an example the west has furloughed and downgraded since 2008 while the east has upgraded. So lets say its a 3 way, usapa, which has publicly disparaged arbitrator Nicolau will be once again in front of Mr. Nicolaus friends and colleages makinG their case for why the east deserves more than the west while at the same time the west will have ample evidence of usapa s malfeancense and disrespect for arbitration. (company legal fillings laying out that usapa has caused west career stagnation furloughs etc. not to mention iou's for aircraft the west is owed). I wouldn't celebrate a 3 way as a victory for the east just yet, in my lestimation every RLA arbitrator is very well versed on what the east has done.
P.S. for those that don't know, Mr. Nicolau told east alpa during the hearings they would not get DOH and to come off their position and give him something else to work with. Their response to Nicolaus request? "We are comfortable with our position and won't revisit it". So you see, this east behavior is nothing new.
P.S. for those that don't know, Mr. Nicolau told east alpa during the hearings they would not get DOH and to come off their position and give him something else to work with. Their response to Nicolaus request? "We are comfortable with our position and won't revisit it". So you see, this east behavior is nothing new.
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01-05-2013, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
So does M/B always result in arbitration, and is Silver's order still in force after all pilots vote in a new TA?
01-05-2013, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by cactiboss
No MB allows for consentual negotiations between the parties, if an agreement is not reached then arbitration kicks in. Silvers order is in force until it is overturned by a higher court. She basically made no ruling as the 9th tied her hands. She did clarify that usapa inherited the Nicolau and can change it as long as they have a legitimate union purpose for doing so, also she told the compny they must ensure usapa has a legitimate union purpose to change the Nicolau.
NIC=DOA..
01-05-2013, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Moby Dick
The only list that was legally produced by an arbitration AGREED TO IN ADVANCE BY BOTH PARTIES is the Nic List. Everyone except USAPA recognizes this fact.
Any SLI process between AA and LCC will use the APA and Nic seniority lists. And WD is correct...the ONLY reason management has let this thing drag on so long is YOU have given them a de facto B scale for the last 6 years.
Well done, fellas.
Any SLI process between AA and LCC will use the APA and Nic seniority lists. And WD is correct...the ONLY reason management has let this thing drag on so long is YOU have given them a de facto B scale for the last 6 years.
Well done, fellas.
Maybe coming from you Moby they will see and understand however I dont hold out much hope for that. I think you have hit the nail dead solid perfect. If you give a management team no reason to pay you more they will without a doubt take you up on it every single time.
The usapa reign of terror is on deaths doorstep. They will be wiped out here shortly and then we will have some order around this place. No more back room deals between Bular and the wicked witch of the east. We wont have instances where our west grievances are put on hold forever allowing the company to skip over us. There will be no more illegal union votes where the east when they lose just invalidate the vote to get a do over. The east is now going to pay for the 5 yrs of illegal imprisonment and I hope they remember that none of this ever had to happen.
WD at AWA
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