eaglefly

3rd listers are legally represented by USAPA and I don't see any reason they should have a seat at the table. If they're going to allow that, then Eagle flows, former TWA, former Reno, etc. should also have their own seat. Might as well split up the Piedmonts and Allegheny's as well.

This isn't going to be a 7-10 way arbitration, but a 2-3 way, depending on the disposition of the East/West squabble over the next 12-18 months which is about how long it will take for final resolution to the AA/U SLI.

R57 relay

As of today we don't have a ruling from Judge Silver. Why is the west any different from any other subgroup of US pilots? What's the difference between west pilots and 3rd listers?

eaglefly

It would seem that there is still unresolved disagreement in how 2 groups of pilots in a previously arbitrated SLI should be integrated between themselves let alone a 3rd group of pilots. If there wasn't an open conflict, there wouldn't be a judge considering that situation.

R57 relay

Oh, I agree, but she hasn't ruled. She could rule against the west completely, right? If so, will the company backtrack? Do they know something we don't? Is that legal? As of today, every US pilot is in the same boat, so why is the company differentiating between us?

eaglefly

Aren't you still separate groups with separate lists and not intermingled ?

It would seem more reasonable to start from where you actually are rather then hypotheticals of where you may or may not be.

Perhaps USAPA should demand Silver rule before any preliminary movement on AA/U SLI ?

R57 relay

You have a point. Perhaps. Haven't heard a word from USAPA yet.

crzipilot

This true, but your opening a pandora's box of labor here.

USAPA is the bargaining agent for US pilots. East/West/3rd list/new hires etc.

APA is the agent for the AA guys. as recognized by the NMB. correct?

Now with no ruling from the courts etc, US mgmnt is carving out a separate group of US pilots and saying, here, bargain for yourselves.

Why should they have such ability? Why not the Eagle Flows have their own representation? Why not separate sub groups within each group?


I agree Eagle, start with where your at, not where your supposedly going to be, and I think that is what many see coming down the tracks. West guys I'm sure have a list they have cobbled together showing where they should be in relation to where they would be if the Nic was in effect for the past 5 years.

they will force this thing to arbitration if they don't get their NIC list in the negotiation phase...

Unless of course APA/USAPA/Company neuter this thing in their agreement of the negotiation protocols. Telling the west group, you have a seat, but you can't say anything, your here in observer status only. If you have a gripe, write it down and we will consider it on side tables.....

Now that would get Cacti steamed I'm sure.........Kinda like a non voting seat on the BOD...

cactiboss

Just can't get over it huh?

cactiboss

They also have told their people what the chances of a negotiated settlement are, slim and none.

eaglefly

Well, if they DO get the NIC, I'd assume USAPA would then take some form of action, but what action I don't know. If USAPA disputes that outcome in some legal fashion and/or becomes unwilling to negotiate based on a NIC list then that would seem to force arbitration. It would seem either side could muck up the show forcing arbitration and since regardless of how Silver rules, one side or the other is almost certain to blow a gasket, I'd think arbitration is the strong favorite. Thus, starting now with both sides of the U equation making their pitch would give the arbitrators the necessary arguments to formulate the best resolution as opposed to one side being muzzled.