All 767's are supposed to be gone around 2028. If they're still flying 757's it might be 4,000 ish.

Group IV, which will replace all the 767's eventually, will be 3000-3500???

 

I wonder how many of these East and West guys that b!tch so loudly about the JCBA would like to go back and fly under their old work rules, but at their old rates? I'm guessing not many.

I'm not saying this place is perfect, and we have work to do, but I think the thread I started about the specific changes you want illustrates that we aren't all that far away.

 

Well I'm basing my numbers just off AA pilots and the seniority calculator. I realize anything can happen but right now it is something to be excited about and look forward too.

How do you think we are positioned wrong compared to UA and Delta. Our first two years out of bankruptcy and post merger we were out performing UA on many things and especially quarterly earnings. I feel the company is positioned pretty well and only going to do better now that we are post FOS. Once we get the FA's all on one system that should help a lot too. We also had one of the best transitions when we combined our reservation systems between LUS and LAA.

Is everything perfect, never is but I think we are still moving forward and only going to improve.

As a side note about our pilot group eating our own, I only read about it here and C&R's. I saw very little of it in training and on the line. Most everyone has been happy and polite. For my short time at United I experienced the same thing but also still heard the jokes and complaints between their merger. Some guys still carried around a list of the scabs and made jokes towards CAL hires. But it was only a few.
A few people complaing on social media can really make a group of say 15,000 seem bad or that the sky is falling. Just look at our presidential election and what actually happened. I think most AA pilot's agree we will need to improve our contract in 2020 but wouldn't leave for another company if less than two years since being hired.

 

Some people will always find a reason to complain. I've always been the type of person if I don't like where I am then I'll move on. Delta, United and SouthWest are hiring. I bet you give that same person a job at Delta they'll start complaining and talking about how things were better at American. Don't get me wrong everyone vents but to complain over and over then it's time to make a switch.
American just like the others damn sure isn't perfect. We can work to make it a better place but perfect will never happen.

Togaang you're in a good place. Factor in retirements, the size of the airline, Widebody Growth, your age........ I think you'll have a wonder career.

 

So why didn't you get hired somewhere else instead of waiting 30 years to flow to AA? Lol we're waiting...

 

30 years? I'll give you half that and take off a few years. Haha! Go back to complaining :-)

 

Yeah Billy I'm not worried. I see the same complaining in the AF and ANG. Everyone wants what they can't or don't have. I'm happy with AA, I just want new hires or potential new hires to know that it isn't all that bad here and that come 2020 we should have a much improved contract. Not to mention in 10 years more than 1/2 the airline will be new hires so it is what we make it.

 

VERY well put, sir!

Probably 80% of our troubles could be fixed with a better union-and WE are the ones who can make that happen!

 

I'm not sure when you were hired, but most of these guys that are flowing now went through the same 'lost decade' that we did, but in a different location. Timing is everything in this business and if you were starting your career at a regional when the music stopped after 09/11, you were stuck. Once things started moving again, there were and still are a lot of people trying to move up. You're painting with a very broad brush and it's not fair to a number of guys who have, for the the vast majority of them, proven themselves to be safe and professional pilots for us.

 

Nailed it.