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Old 04-27-2018, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by drifterf16 View Post
I’m not sure if the fighter background helps or hurts in the vetting process post interview based on my aircraft flying background. Folks in my class had similar timing... some non-fighter military, mil/121 mix and some with no military. That said, others took a while because they told us AA has to check back on every flying job by law. It’s obvious many pilots who’ve come up through the civilian world end up in many different jobs trying to build experience. For me, I’d been in the military for almost 28 years so one call verified all employment. I heard the HR lady talking to one applicant asking, “Can you try to track down a phone number or something for these older jobs? I know some may not even still be in business but we’re required by law to try”.
No, I don't think it does much for you post-interview, but my point was that being a fighter pilot generally gets you an interview quicker. Your example supports my theory. You submitted an app 28 December and got an interview invite barely 2 months later. That's pretty phenomenal considering there's been guys with heavy military backround with 4,000+ hours (IP/EP, safety officers, multiple recommendations by AA pilots, multiple career fairs, etc) that wait 8, 10, 12 months, if not upwards of two years to get an interview. It's just my observation from what I've seen in the forums and RST. They just seem to like fighter pilots. Afterall, they have a box to check in the demographics section that specifically asks, "Are you now or have you ever been a Fighter Pilot?". It's definitely there to give you extra points. Whatever you did, you did something right!

Interesting about the employment verification. I've got probably over a dozen squadron-mates who have gotten hired by one of (or several) of the Big 3 companies, to include AA and our commander has never been called by any of them to verify their employment in order to land the video interview. Are you talking post interview backround check?

That being said, those of you military guys who have bounced around from assignment to assignment on AD and who are in the ANG/AFRC now, what contact info did you put for your former assignments if your supervisor has moved on to bigger and better things? I guess your current unit can verify your previous assignments through MilPDS.

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Old 04-27-2018, 07:35 AM
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No, I don't think it does much for you post-interview, but my point was that being a fighter pilot generally gets you an interview quicker. Your example supports my theory. You submitted an app 28 December and got an interview invite barely 2 months later. That's pretty phenomenal considering there's been guys with heavy military backround with 4,000+ hours (IP/EP, safety officers, multiple recommendations by AA pilots, multiple career fairs, etc) that wait 8, 10, 12 months, if not upwards of two years to get an interview. It's just my observation from what I've seen in the forums and RST. They just seem to like fighter pilots. Afterall, they have a box to check in the demographics section that specifically asks, "Are you now or have you ever been a Fighter Pilot?". It's definitely there to give you extra points. Whatever you did, you did something right!

Interesting about the employment verification. I've got probably over a dozen squadron-mates who have gotten hired by one of (or several) of the Big 3 companies, to include AA and our commander has never been called by any of them to verify their employment in order to land the video interview. Are you talking post interview backround check?

That being said, those of you military guys who have bounced around from assignment to assignment on AD and who are in the ANG/AFRC now, what contact info did you put for your former assignments if your supervisor has moved on to bigger and better things? I guess your current unit can verify your previous assignments through MilPDS.

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Completely understand about the fighter check box on the app. Was hoping it was a good thing when I first saw it lmao.

Total disclosure if it helps others: Just over 4400 hours total time. 1000 civ with 650 as CFI/I and MEI. Mid 3200 hours F-16 IP/SEFE, Commander stink, Flight and Wing Chief of Safety. Was less than 100 hours in the past 12 months for lookback but was “current” and flying regularly.

They have you bring a DD-214 and I don’t know how they verify employment. I know as a CC when we would get calls (because most guys put the squadron or CC number) they’d refer them to personnel (HRO).

I put all my jobs in chronological order since I’d been at the same Guard base for 18 years after my 10 years on AD. I did that based on an answer to a question I asked to the app question help desk. I listed supervisors but for ones that were gone I just listed the name off the OPR and put unknown in the contact info. Guess it worked for me...

For your employment verification timing question... My understanding for AA at least, is the employment and education verification happens after the CJO not to get the vid invite.

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Old 04-27-2018, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TankerDriver View Post
No, I don't think it does much for you post-interview, but my point was that being a fighter pilot generally gets you an interview quicker. Your example supports my theory. You submitted an app 28 December and got an interview invite barely 2 months later. That's pretty phenomenal considering there's been guys with heavy military backround with 4,000+ hours (IP/EP, safety officers, multiple recommendations by AA pilots, multiple career fairs, etc) that wait 8, 10, 12 months, if not upwards of two years to get an interview. It's just my observation from what I've seen in the forums and RST. They just seem to like fighter pilots. Afterall, they have a box to check in the demographics section that specifically asks, "Are you now or have you ever been a Fighter Pilot?". It's definitely there to give you extra points. Whatever you did, you did something right!

Interesting about the employment verification. I've got probably over a dozen squadron-mates who have gotten hired by one of (or several) of the Big 3 companies, to include AA and our commander has never been called by any of them to verify their employment in order to land the video interview. Are you talking post interview backround check?

That being said, those of you military guys who have bounced around from assignment to assignment on AD and who are in the ANG/AFRC now, what contact info did you put for your former assignments if your supervisor has moved on to bigger and better things? I guess your current unit can verify your previous assignments through MilPDS.

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Also had 5 internal recommendations, 3 from captains and all who personally flew with me...not just acquaintances. I still don’t know when the refs come into play though...
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Old 05-08-2018, 10:38 AM
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What is the possibility of getting hired at AA having no internal recs? Is it bad to have recs from pilots that work at other airlines? Don't think I know anyone at AA.

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Old 05-08-2018, 01:38 PM
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1. Good
2. Other airlines are fine but internal is better.

Last flying gig? Rank? How many hours in the last year? What’s the plan if you don’t get hired ASAP? Hopefully it starts with “get a 121 regional job...”
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Old 05-14-2018, 10:20 AM
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What’s the usual time frame of getting the CJO or the TBNT email?
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Old 12-11-2018, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by drifterf16 View Post
That said, others took a while because they told us AA has to check back on every flying job by law. It’s obvious many pilots who’ve come up through the civilian world end up in many different jobs trying to build experience. For me, I’d been in the military for almost 28 years so one call verified all employment. I heard the HR lady talking to one applicant asking, “Can you try to track down a phone number or something for these older jobs? I know some may not even still be in business but we’re required by law to try”.



Anyone have more detailed information on what would be acceptable proof or verification of prior flying jobs with companies no longer in business? Pay stubs? Co-workers phone number, IRS document proving employment?
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Old 12-11-2018, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mosquito View Post
What’s the usual time frame of getting the CJO or the TBNT email?


Seems that most hear back within 24 hours of leaving the interview. Occasionally, it takes longer. For me, it was 3 weeks later but still good news at least.


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Old 12-14-2018, 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AFPirate View Post
Based on my math of pilot retirements versus aircraft retirements, and coupled with the two vacancy bids we've had so far for 2018, I'm forecasting 675 hires for 2018. Hopefully I'm wrong and they hire more... I think 900 is not plausible.
900+ Probably for the next how many years. Kudos to the training dept, quite a feat!
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Old 12-14-2018, 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 1Barracuda View Post
Anyone have more detailed information on what would be acceptable proof or verification of prior flying jobs with companies no longer in business? Pay stubs? Co-workers phone number, IRS document proving employment?
Don’t sweat this. A lot of guys have flown for companies that have gone out of business. Some are required to have a custodian of records after they cease operations. This will not be a problem for you.
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