Bye Bye usapa and good riddance!!
01-16-2014, 11:23 PM
#72
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Originally Posted by A321
Hello "WD at AWA"
Here's a quick reality check. Not just for you but for everyone who reads your intelligent posts.
Do you think that North Central DC9 pilots expected to one day fly Delta 767s?
Do you think New York Air pilots eventually expected to fly United 777s?
My point is this:
Mergers are good and you will do alright. PIPE DOWN and know that you have merged into the world's largest airline with a boatload of wide bodies. Would the "WEST" have expected this on their own? Calm down, relax and see if you can post from here on out in an intelligent manor.
Here's a quick reality check. Not just for you but for everyone who reads your intelligent posts.
Do you think that North Central DC9 pilots expected to one day fly Delta 767s?
Do you think New York Air pilots eventually expected to fly United 777s?
My point is this:
Mergers are good and you will do alright. PIPE DOWN and know that you have merged into the world's largest airline with a boatload of wide bodies. Would the "WEST" have expected this on their own? Calm down, relax and see if you can post from here on out in an intelligent manor.
01-17-2014, 12:54 AM
#74
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Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 5,294
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Exactly 80kts I was going to say AWA operate widebodies for a while.
01-17-2014, 01:05 AM
#75
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
They sure did, almost put them in the grave. But not at the time of this merger or the last and the west pilots don't want to look at the past!
01-17-2014, 04:27 AM
#76
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Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Recalled....
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Just like these guys:
Photos: McDonnell Douglas DC-9-31 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
had zero chance of flying this:
N272AY - US Airways Airbus A330-300 at Manchester | Photo ID 95165 | Airplane-Pictures.net
Without this merger:
Piedmont Airlines Boeing 767 ER
One has to admit that it is sort of funny (in an ironic, not humorous way) to hear any pre-1989 USAir (original USAir) hire talk about "those regional guys from out West". Talk about the biggest regional in the world. Sans Piedmont, Ed Colodny would have never gone across the water. Everyone knows "Fortress Northeast" (with all that "Cool Northern Efficiency" is where the money is...). In fact, by some of the logic displayed on here, we should fence all the wide-bodies and east coast international routes, allowing only former Piedmont pilots (since they had 767s) or anyone hired 1988 and later (since their career expectations included wide-bodies) to fly them. Then we should fence off the Hawaii flying, only allowing former AWA pilots or third-list pilots to fly them (since they were the ones doing it/ expecting to do it).
Or, we could all be thankful for the series of events (of which we had little or no control over) that got us here, finally working for a real airline with stability and the potential to be the best airline job in the world. We could move forward, trying to find a real, workable solution to our problems.
Naaaaaaaaah. Sniping at one another from behind a keyboard is a lot more fun...
Photos: McDonnell Douglas DC-9-31 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
had zero chance of flying this:
N272AY - US Airways Airbus A330-300 at Manchester | Photo ID 95165 | Airplane-Pictures.net
Without this merger:
Piedmont Airlines Boeing 767 ER
One has to admit that it is sort of funny (in an ironic, not humorous way) to hear any pre-1989 USAir (original USAir) hire talk about "those regional guys from out West". Talk about the biggest regional in the world. Sans Piedmont, Ed Colodny would have never gone across the water. Everyone knows "Fortress Northeast" (with all that "Cool Northern Efficiency" is where the money is...). In fact, by some of the logic displayed on here, we should fence all the wide-bodies and east coast international routes, allowing only former Piedmont pilots (since they had 767s) or anyone hired 1988 and later (since their career expectations included wide-bodies) to fly them. Then we should fence off the Hawaii flying, only allowing former AWA pilots or third-list pilots to fly them (since they were the ones doing it/ expecting to do it).
Or, we could all be thankful for the series of events (of which we had little or no control over) that got us here, finally working for a real airline with stability and the potential to be the best airline job in the world. We could move forward, trying to find a real, workable solution to our problems.
Naaaaaaaaah. Sniping at one another from behind a keyboard is a lot more fun...
Last edited by Bad-Andy; 01-17-2014 at 04:34 AM. Reason: getting links to pics to work...
01-17-2014, 05:40 AM
#77
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,890
Originally Posted by ForeverFO
Night Hawk, I understand you have a beef with APA because you did not feel they took care of furloughees adequately. Fair enough, but the decade of 2000 was entirely and wildly different from previous decades. Thank Osama and crew for much of it. It was a decade of retrenchment and bankruptcies industry wide.
There will be no "Big ass APA staple gun." No one wants anything except an SLI integration that will leave everyone a little hacked. That would be indicative of one that's reasonably fair. If anyone is ecstatic afterwards, something's wrong.
There will be no "Big ass APA staple gun." No one wants anything except an SLI integration that will leave everyone a little hacked. That would be indicative of one that's reasonably fair. If anyone is ecstatic afterwards, something's wrong.
01-17-2014, 06:26 AM
#79
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: The Parlor
Posts: 1,243
Originally Posted by A321
Hello "WD at AWA"
Here's a quick reality check. Not just for you but for everyone who reads your intelligent posts.
Do you think that North Central DC9 pilots expected to one day fly Delta 767s?
Do you think New York Air pilots eventually expected to fly United 777s?
My point is this:
Mergers are good and you will do alright. PIPE DOWN and know that you have merged into the world's largest airline with a boatload of wide bodies. Would the "WEST" have expected this on their own? Calm down, relax and see if you can post from here on out in an intelligent manor.
Here's a quick reality check. Not just for you but for everyone who reads your intelligent posts.
Do you think that North Central DC9 pilots expected to one day fly Delta 767s?
Do you think New York Air pilots eventually expected to fly United 777s?
My point is this:
Mergers are good and you will do alright. PIPE DOWN and know that you have merged into the world's largest airline with a boatload of wide bodies. Would the "WEST" have expected this on their own? Calm down, relax and see if you can post from here on out in an intelligent manor.
And the argument for expectations of flying widebodies is weak IMO, as you have pointed out and everyone has seen. You never know what will happen or what your airline will order. US Air was thrown the widebody bone through merger just the same as you have tried pointing out, the funny difference is AWA once flew them on their own, no merger required.
01-17-2014, 06:57 AM
#80
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Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 5,294
Originally Posted by cactiboss
How was usair doing in 2005, you care to look that far back? I'll jog your memory: 2 bankruptcies in 2 years, 1/3 of pilots on furlough, furloughed all the way to 1989, loa 93 and chapter 7 liquidation around the corner.
We brought the only widebodies, were about twice AWA's size, had more cash on hand, a sizable European operation and membership in the Star Alliance.
What did AWA bring? A 2004 annual loss, an additional ATSB loan, a LAS hub that was about to go down the tubes and a bunch of crappy 75s, 73's and A320's, with a few newer A319's and A320's. They also brought Doug Parker and filed in US Airways gap on the west coast, unlocking it's potential.
We both needed the merger, it's clear to everyone, especially Doug Parker. Shall I bring out his words again?
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