Saabs

They have 2400 furloughs as we speak? Obviously if they are hiring they have bypassed a recall or two. Regardless of what happens we should all prepare to move on! Unfortunately history repeats itself..... And no fences on narrow bodies would be nice!

SilverandSore

No, furloughs and flows total that. My personal theory is that some blend of LoS and category and class is 'fair' (like UAL and CAL) and that will put most of the furloughed guys ahead of a lot of the 3rd listers and then the flows below most of the 3rd listers. Just my opinion.

aafurloughee

Sorry but, what's a third lister?

Dutch1

America West list, usapa list and the guys hired post debacle are called the Third List.

Smoke Toliet

With 4k retirements over 10 yrs and 5 times the widebodies I'm sure some AA pilots have a similar opinion. The important thing is to remember the mistakes of the pass and move forward with a single list. If this company is going to be making a billion + a year, we as a single group will gain more in focusing on a industry leading CBA then fighting over a couple hundred seniority #'s.

Saabs

Define flow. Someone on AA property now or an eagle 824?

Al Czervik

Eagle flows without AA seniority numbers will not be placed above active pilots or furloughs. They are not on any list that will be used in the SLI.

JumpersAway79

That is the huge question mark. The way I understand it, is that the Eagle 824 do, indeed, have seniority numbers at American. However, there are many that have yet to actually operate AA equipment, as they have not been provided a class with AA mainline.

I am ok with furloughed pilots being slotted in front of me, since I am a third list guy. Frankly, even though it is to my detriment, I feel it is the right thing to do. They're older than I am, interviewed and were hired before I was, and will retire before I do. The only career expectation that abounds, in my book, is that you shouldn't have any expectations, because things change so quickly, from month to month. Let alone, from year to year, or decade to decade.

The only thing I do disagree with is the claim made by some of the 824 members I have spoken with, that openly feel they will be, or should be, slotted in front of a "now on property" third list pilot. I think the SLI should consist of current (not necessarily active- ie furloughed) pilots. In short, my opinion is that if you have been to Indoc., then you have a seat at the SLI. If not, then it's on to flow to the bottom you go.

Al Czervik

Eagle guys correct me.. I believe most AA numbered Eagle guys/gals are already at AA. The 824 do not have #'s. Legacy AA is hiring. Think those guys/gals are slotted in seniority with the 824 flows as the flows come to class.

CanoePilot

Yeah the aa furloughs are going above us that is almost a certainty. I expect usapa to throw us all under the bus. I'm more worried alt the eagle flows and aa newhires. I remember hearing there won't be a snapshot taken and that they are going for a "dynamic" list, whatever that means.