Good argument (I was PinaColAba myself) about how category/class SLI works. I also think this is how it will go down in arbitration as it's just what arbitrators seem to do lately.

The problem is you seem to get tripped up on the concept of percentages. "OMG look at how many more widebodies AA has?!" Yeah well, they also have a bigger pilot count to go with it. It's been stated on here before using data from airfleets.net that 15% of the US East fleet count, 20% of AA, and 0% of the west is widebody. 15% vs 20% is nothing to get worked up over.

AA has more 767s than 777s
US has twice as many 330s as 767s

And here's the kicker, both 330 and 777 are group 4 aircraft. Same pay, same career expectations just like you said.

Your idea would seem to result in a windfall for you or other 3rd listers. It allows a pilot at what has been known as the lowest paid, most marginal major carrier for many years with 5 years service and perhaps 80% down the list to leapfrog pilots at AA with more than a decade of occupational seniority both active and on furlough. Reading this post, I can see you are quite hungry to get a leg up at others expense. Many of the AA furloughees that deferred as per the green book have occupational seniority dates from the mid 1990's to the early 2000's. It would be great for E3L's to leapfrog those guys and gals, eh ?

You also rationalize your desired windfall by claiming AA was bankrupt and that U pilots were moving up quickly and making record profits. The fact is AA was flush with IN EXCESS OF 6 BILLION in cash at C11 filing and our BK was a strategic bankruptcy to gut labor, primarily pensions and retiree benefits, especially healthcare, not one like U's previous trips to BK court, i.e., they were fast going broke. You're making up a nice story to convince yourself and others that you should get advantage of AA massive fleet order/options and wide bodies at the expense of AA pilots through exuberant reasoning. It seems quite intoxicating for you, I can see.

"We helped save the future of AA" is an absurd statement. YOU need AA more than AA needs you and to use that as an excuse to greedily piggyback your way to a windfall, is pathetic. Not surprising, but still pathetic. Feel free to keep beating your tom-tom, but I think you may be disappointed in what occurs in the SLI. You're going to anger USAPA by watering down that Usapian beverage you've been swilling and not guzzling it straight up.

The Charlottans expect you to cry for Full DOH with no fences as the way to go........now get with the program !!!!

....and died years ago. But it DOES show some insight into the mind of the source.

OK, so the most junior AA pilot (excluding the new hires getting ready to hit the line soon) was probably hired in 2000-2001 prior to 9-11. You think that the most junior AA pilot should jump up hundreds on the list in front of all US pilots hired since 2001 (which is hundreds)? You don't call that a windfall?

Eaglefly- I think that AA and LLC needed each other equally as much. Both would have been fine, independently, for the short term. However, for the LONG term it was needed. WE needed to be the 800 pound gorilla. WE did that with the merger. The sooner this is realized, the better for both parties, and the better we will be financially. No class warfare=teamwork=profit and pay for all!

Now, lets get to work on kicking some tail and building something we are proud of- an AA at the top of the pyramid with service and profit to envy.

How did a thread about the 190logic turn into yet another Seniority *****fest?

Well, you talk about "career expectations" and going from merger announcement minus one day, what were an AA pilot with a 2001 occupational seniority's career expectations at AA considering AA's fleet and orders ?

What was the next most senior 3rd lister at U East expecting ?

I don't know the answer to this or what the arbitration will ultimately result in, but your whole post was about plucking more senior AA pilots out of their relative AA seniority (reordering the AA list) and belittling AA as an airline practically on the verge of liquidation. I do think think the arbitration will not result in what you are expecting though.

If you want more credibility for your SLI considerations, you've got to do better at giving the impression you're not heinously biased in methods that personally give you a leg up. Who knows, maybe the arbitration WILL put 34 year old 3rd listers hired in 2008 ahead of 52 year old 1997 AA hires who have rightfully elected to defer recall from furlough at AA ? Maybe the arbitration WILL consider US Airways grossly underpaid pilots the savior of American Airlines and factor that in to the SLI ?

Maybe the arbitration won't consider for career expectation purposes that without the merger, US Airways pilots would have remained by far the lowest compensated major airline pilots in the nation and the only reason they found a path out of that conundrum with no resolution in sight was because of what AA PILOTS agreed to do, that is, vote to persue a merger with your airline ?

It certainly seems what you're advocating and anything's certainly possible.

Pilots posted in it.

Because one guy here is as "serious as a heart attack" (which he seems to be having).

With strict relative seniority, no one on either side will lose their relative place on the list. If you were a junior FO, you will remain a junior FO. If you were a senior CA, you will remain a senior CA. If you were smack dab in the middle of the list, you will remain in the middle of the list. That's really the only fair way to do it.