texaspilot76

SLI snapshot needs to be taken at the date of POR, because that's when the merger became official. Up till then, no one knew for certain it was going through.

As far as all the comments about the United/ Continental integration, I cant comment. I have no idea what agreement they came to, nor do I care. I tend to worry more about things that affecting me rather than other airlines that I don't work for.

Sliceback

The merger was between AA and US and not AA and US East and US West. When it comes down to SLI time it might be considered two, or three, different lists. We'll know more as events unfold.

kingairip

You insult USAPA, as you like to do (they're an easy target after all), but what he's arguing for is exactly what got USAPA so hissed off. (Stapled furloughs, that is...among other things, of course.) So, I fixed it for you...no charge!

AAirways

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I am pre-merger 3rd lister, and you're embarrassing us. The traditional legal interpretation is that after Feb 14 you can be reasonably sure you are going to be working at the combined carrier.

There is no way that it would be fair that post feb 14 third listers would be senior to all the AA furloughs. I do believe that some mix of relative seniority and credit for years of service would be fair, even if it costs me a few numbers.

It is insane that you would suggest that a seniority list be re-ordered because someone executed their contractual right to bypass. I don't know a single third lister that shares your opinion.

ShyGuy

What they mean is past history of recent SLIs is probably reasonably expected in the AA/US SLI. The arbitrators aren't going to go down some radical road. The same path that Delta/NWA and UAL/CAL took will show up at your door. In that sense you should care.

TQ Nola

Well-spelt, but I did say 'judge.'

TQ Nola

Your 'relative position' is at the bottom of the list. Deal with it.

I'm positive that the people hired post-merger are all great guys and gals. You won't be on the bottom of the list forever, even though it may feel that way (it did to me). But that's where you're at right now. Nothing's going to rationalize you out of that position except time.

PRS Guitars

Texaspilot,

So when we're you hired? And just out of curiosity, when did you apply?

You didn't answer the question before, because you know it hurts your credibility. There is a difference between those hired after Feb 2013. I'd argue that anyone hired after that (US Airways and AA new hires) are 4th listers and should be integrated by DOH below the AA furloughs/third listers (not that anyone will be asking me).

drinksonme

Pretty sure the easiest part of the SLI will be everyone hired at either AA or US after FEB 2013. That will probably be done with in 15 mins. It will be straight DOH. Which will automatically cover career expectations, longevity, and relative seniority. Why people want/think it will be different is lost on me. It's clean and easy. With regard to furloughs, they technically are not furloughs anymore. All of them are needed back and should rightfully take the place they are entitled to be on the list. If that means they go senior to me and everyone else that is RELATIVELY JUNIOR to them based on LOS, then so be it. Let's just get this thing done so we can get on with our lives, and maybe, just maybe, be able to live close to work, and be able to choose your equipment and seat. However, that should not be at some other poor souls expense. Enough already, time to close the ugly chapter and move on to the next one. I've been on property 5 months and I am beyond sick of it. Time to man up, swallow some self-proclaimed pride and move on.

eaglefly

My statement wasn't about what ONE arbitration provided, but about whether what he's demanding is standard in ALL. It isn't. The Usapian leadership demanded a lot more than that one issue though, they wanted it ALL. They refused to negotiate off their gauntlet of demands and arrogantly expected an arbitrator to reward their intransigence.

They were wrong. No matter........on USAPA there's always a way and an opportunity to renig on what you agreed to and it's happening all over again with APA and the MOU. The Usapians have scooted back to USAPA in their saucers and are hard at work as we speak attempting to creatively reinterpret the MOU USAPA-style.

I'm sure when they scoot back down to Earth to file their request for injunction with the court, it will be a hoot to read the specifics. In the mean time, we should keep a watchful eye to the starry night sky looking for the tell-tale glow of their saucers so we can get warning of when that will occur.