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Old 04-29-2014, 03:31 PM   #1  
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Default Protocol Agreement Reached per USAPA

If I read correctly, it appears that the BPR has endorsed a seniority protocol agreement per the email that came out this afternoon.

Does anyone know if APA and management are on board as well?
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Don't know but if they aren't, wouldn't it be a proposal and not an agreement? Haven't heard a thing.
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The details are absent per lawyers advice.
Frear and PHX voted no. PHX always votes no, my guess no NIC.
So why did Frear (CLT) vote no? No DOH?
I don't expect the truth from any of the parties until it is inked.
Then we can all read it and weep. Ha
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Just another unilateral ridiculous proposal by usappy which will be summarily rejected by all.
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The details are absent per lawyers advice.
Frear and PHX voted no. PHX always votes no, my guess no NIC.
So why did Frear (CLT) vote no? No DOH?
I don't expect the truth from any of the parties until it is inked.
Then we can all read it and weep. Ha

There will always be factions that will be unable to rationally consider what is going on. They have one volume.

If the APA indeed had absolutely no input whatsoever to the notion of proposing the three merger documents, then they are choosing to let the courts drag this out for a looong time (why not? it helps the APA), and the company will be ecstatic about the division (though they will cry crocodile tears).
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Just another unilateral ridiculous proposal by usappy which will be summarily rejected by all.
Coming from the guy who thinks we are going to put a 350 or 777 in Phoenix? USAPA is going to be out of the game shortly & you'll probably get a west merger committee in the integration. That's the best you could realistically hope for.
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There will always be factions that will be unable to rationally consider what is going on. They have one volume.

If the APA indeed had absolutely no input whatsoever to the notion of proposing the three merger documents, then they are choosing to let the courts drag this out for a looong time (why not? it helps the APA), and the company will be ecstatic about the division (though they will cry crocodile tears).
If this drags out for another 5 years and APA is happy and USAirways East is happy, who is unhappy? The attrition takes care of the problem. Sounds like a better solution for management than the United or Southwest battle. If management gets neutral metal, what is the hurry?
I am not counting on the 2016 pay rates until there is a ISL.
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If this drags out for another 5 years and APA is happy and USAirways East is happy, who is unhappy? The attrition takes care of the problem. Sounds like a better solution for management than the United or Southwest battle. If management gets neutral metal, what is the hurry?
I am not counting on the 2016 pay rates until there is a ISL.
Shut the front door, and don't adopt this self-serving viewpoint!


Dragging out SLI is small minded.


United lost over 5 billion dollars in two years because of integration issues. Look at how protracted labor issues had damaged the UAL product. My girlfriend is Platinum on Delta, her two partners each held Diamond on Delta since 2009. None of them will ever fly UAL again because of UAL labor.

http://crankyflier.com/2014/04/25/to...e-to-unionize/

If United does not get their sheet together they will revisit bankruptcy—this is very alarming!!!! newAmerican may have 10.8 billion in the bank today, but the AAL is larger than United. Make no mistake, AAL management can dork this merger up without our help.

I do not advocate delaying SLI. We do not need redundant capacity. The airline needs to be right-sized so that we can reallocate airframes for growth to pay for our 2016 raises.

USAPA and APA lack leadership. Both unions are doing an extremely poor job of managing this situation.

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Shut the front door, and don't adopt this self-serving viewpoint!


Dragging out SLI is small minded.


United lost over 5 billion dollars in two years because of integration issues. Look at how protracted labor issues had damaged the UAL product. My girlfriend is Platinum on Delta, her two partners each held Diamond on Delta since 2009. None of them will ever fly UAL again because of UAL labor.

Topic of the Week: First Quarter Earnings Show a Struggling United, JetBlue | The Cranky Flier

If United does not get their sheet together they will revisit bankruptcy—this is very alarming!!!! newAmerican may have 10.8 billion in the bank today, but the AAL is larger than United. Make no mistake, AAL management can dork this merger up without our help.

I do not advocate delaying SLI. We do not need redundant capacity. The airline needs to be right-sized so that we can reallocate airframes for growth to pay for our 2016 raises.

USAPA and APA lack leadership. Both unions are doing an extremely poor job of managing this situation.
What's to stop Parker from right-sizing anything ?
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Shut the front door, and don't adopt this self-serving viewpoint!


Dragging out SLI is small minded.


United lost over 5 billion dollars in two years because of integration issues. Look at how protracted labor issues had damaged the UAL product. My girlfriend is Platinum on Delta, her two partners each held Diamond on Delta since 2009. None of them will ever fly UAL again because of UAL labor.

Topic of the Week: First Quarter Earnings Show a Struggling United, JetBlue | The Cranky Flier

If United does not get their sheet together they will revisit bankruptcy—this is very alarming!!!! newAmerican may have 10.8 billion in the bank today, but the AAL is larger than United. Make no mistake, AAL management can dork this merger up without our help.

I do not advocate delaying SLI. We do not need redundant capacity. The airline needs to be right-sized so that we can reallocate airframes for growth to pay for our 2016 raises.

USAPA and APA lack leadership. Both unions are doing an extremely poor job of managing this situation.




What's to stop Parker from right-sizing anything ?
Hopefully nothing, the point of the merger was to in part right size both operations into one. We cannot regulate businesses into profitability. No union can do this. In fact, unions generate downward pressure on businesses.

In flight training, captains are told to trust their first officers, and we trust management to not run the airline into the ground like United.

The existing operations of the airline do need to be right sized, and it will happen to a degree. However, attrition will make up for this, and we have plenty of growth opportunities in Africa and Asia.
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