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09-07-2014 | 05:13 PM

#21

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Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer

Seniority determines alot of things.

Senior guy already makes 5X more money with 2x the days off than the new hire due to seniority. Bumping him at the gate last minute is just getting ridiculous and lazy...but hey, they're baby boomers that's what they do.

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Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer

IMHO, I think we may be losing something if a flight departs with a 23 year old new hire in the jumpseat while the 30 year widebody Captain watches from the terminal because his smartphone reservation skills were sorely lacking.

Losing what? It's a 45 second phone call with touch-tone prompts...is the old fart using a rotary phone?

There's no excuse for Senior guy not having reserved it in the first place, then junior guy could have made an alternate plan. And because it's reserved, senior guy also has the opportunity to find an OPEN flight instead of just showing up at the gate willy-nilly and hoping he's senior. It's very simple, and benefits everybody. Plan your commute. You'll get there.

09-07-2014 | 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Night Hawk 6

September 10 will also be the day they implement the new Non-rev categories to include down grading retirees to a status below active employees. Another screw job for the retirees. Yes, as a twenty year commuter I know all the complaints about commuters being bumped by those who have "all day" to get to their destination, etc. however think of this, you will all be retirees, and it will come sooner than you think. With the advances in our ageing process we will be living longer and there is a good chance you may be a retiree for many more years than you were an active employee. While it won't happen now, what they should have done is created a category for commuting TO work, placing this status above D2 and keeping D2 as it has always been, first come first served for active and retired employees. Fire away ye youngsters, your retirement day will be here in a flash.

In March I will celebrate my 50th anniversary, as things go, I'm pretty sure I will expire in the gate house waiting for a seat..

09-07-2014 | 06:19 PM

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I've used the J/S line numerous times, and at times I've called it the day of. I have yet to find a flight booked. I'm sure I'll call one day to find someone's beaten me to the seat, but this fear that you'll call 6 days out to find every flight booked solid is, IMO, unfounded.

09-07-2014 | 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hueypilot

The corollary to this is that the one time I happened upon a flight that already had primary and alternate jumpseat riders listed, I knew I needed to make alternate plans. It's a great planning tool.

09-07-2014 | 06:32 PM

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Plus, you can look on the non-rev list and see PRIs and ALTs listed, so you can make alternate plans before you even call.

09-07-2014 | 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer

The 30 year captain won't be watching from the terminal as the plane leaves, he will have made other arrangements because he knew a week ago that he wouldn't have the Jumpseat. That's the whole point, you know where you stand (or sit I guess in this case). No need to check loads the day before your commute, no stress driving to the airport, no stress sitting waiting to be cleared. It is almost like having a positive space ticket on the plane. Same thing going home, just knowing that I will make it home at a specified time is a real morale booster during a trip.

Additionally, until we get an SLI, it'd be the only way that we could have a joint JS. Of course, maybe that has to wait for the SLI anyway, I don't know.

09-07-2014 | 07:59 PM

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The faster "the way we have always done it" crowd/mentality retires, the better off every one will be.

09-07-2014 | 09:12 PM

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All,

Thanks for the info on the system. It's pretty much what I figured for planning purposes. I would add that none mention off schedule operations and cancellations which throws the senior guy making alternate plans out the window. As for the probationary guy who "needs it more"? Been there, done that, it sucks commuting.

As for someone mentioning PIT flights (which I guess is related to the past base closing), I think you will find several AA cities that make it look like a cake walk like DFW/MCO-MIA I'd say the average runs 5+ jumpseaters listed along with many deadheaders. Planning ahead? MIA Customs and afternoon TRW's throw that out the window.

As I said, I'm good either way. I don't know the hard numbers as to cabin seats available vs non-rev seniority in your system and how it plays out with losing seniority for the JS.

09-07-2014 | 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer

It would have a good chance of surviving if seniority was a factor when non-reving in the cabin. Since it is going to FCFS, I don't see a FCFS reservation system surviving for the jumpseat and completely eliminating seniority for the jumpseat and cabin.

I always thought you guys had it backwards. Seniority for passes, FCFS-reservation for jumpseat. Oh we'll.