Originally Posted by Route66

So what REALLY brings you here?

I DO have a "dog" in this fight, because I AM a line Captain.

What "good" ideas? Like how the union needs to perform job actions for the MOU they AGREED to? How bad Parker and Kirby treat their pilots? You mean like how the pilots on these forum threads REALLY know much about unionism anyway? Hell they can't even name the founders of the APA or ALPA, nor do they care.

So I need help yet YOU don't have a "dog" in this fight?

Really? REALLY?

I treat my fellow crew members with the highest respect and courtesy every flight and I have NEVER had a complaint....NONE.

I've NEVER busted a checkride. NEVER.

I've followed SOP to the best of my abilities since I got hired and so far have not had to report to the Chief Pilot for any violation of Company policy. In short, I do what I'm paid to do and what the contract allows for.

I really like flying for a major airline.

Hell, I even LIKE the new uniform.

However, I think there ARE constructive ideas that the UNION needs to address... yet they (APA and ALPA) continue to use systemic flaws of business operations that went out the door with deregulation, 9/11, the great recession, fuel prices just to name a few.

Are they spoken about HERE on the FORUM? Only if you view unionism the old way like the majority of the pos(t)ers here do.

In fact, the APA is twisting in the wind NOW for the MOU that came into effect less than a year ago and the Pilots are whining about how little money they make because of a deal that I SAID COULD BE IMPROVED (yet got voted in by the majority of LUS pilots)!!

But no, I'm not anti-union. I'm anti-stupidity for simply saying that there is a better way but you have to take the TIME to prepare for the future. Hopefully you're preparing for your future in a reasonable manner.

Here, want to learn SOMETHING about American Airlines since you always liked them get this: they've offered them MORE than the contract allows to bring up pay more in line (though NOT Delta) with industry rates. Yet the pilots here at APA (former East USAPA pilots) make the incredulous EXCUSE to cover for the APA:

"It's also important to understand that before USAPA's involvement, CEO Parker met with the APA board and "promised" them that should the company capture the synergies, revenues and profits earlier than anticipated, he would bring the pilots' pay up earlier than the negotiated three-year mid-contract adjustment. Specifically, Doug Parker told APA: "When we make Delta profits, I'll pay you Delta wages."He also told the APA board that because this Delta pay issue may be problematic with the unsecured creditors, he couldn't make it a part of the written contract, but he assured APA this would occur. The problem is that in the company's recent "take it or leave it" proposal, we would be paid "Delta wages" for only the first year of the contract; we would then trail them for many years beyond. Their proposal, of course, also didn't include profit-sharing, which last year equated to an additional 15% for Delta pilots and was conditional on accepting several work rule concessions."

So here you can learn SOMETHING if you are an "aspiring" Airman for a major airline: "you'll ONLY get paid for what you negotiate and GET IT IN WRITING" because "promises" from management are just that. If it's not in writing, YOU WON'T GET IT! Yet of ALL the unions in the world the APA of all of them should know better yet they keep doing the same ole same ole.

And if you DO get it in writing do not expect any promises to give you more until the next contract is PLANNED FOR and completed.

So, is PLANNING a BAD IDEA???

Originally Posted by eaglefly

From delusion to delusions of grandeur.

The illness seems to be intensifying.

Originally Posted by Route66

So instead of the "mud slinging" here is an offer of exchange: Why don't you just evaluate my post with a lucid and reasonable response which you haven't done.

Originally Posted by bernouli

EF, your post count is at 5,016. holy sheet.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

No, it's 5,017.

Pretty wild, eh ?

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Evaluate it ? I can't even understand it.

You clam to not be "anti-union", but that flies in the face of virtually everything you say and advocate.

Originally Posted by bernouli

mmmmm hmmmmm

Originally Posted by Route66

Where? What I SAID was that the "old" union mentally that YOU obviously espouse was simply living in the past. Unionist HAVE to change. Obviously that would NOT include you it seems.

You can't understand it because you can't or WON'T read the history.



I didn't DEMAND. What I said is we HAVE a contract (MOU), Parker is under NO obligation to GIVE US MORE and if we wish to improve what we've ALREADY NEGOTIATED then drawing lines in the sand like "hell no to scope relief (whatever your vision of that is or isn't) for example and just going to arbitration and taking what we have without ANY review, analysis and back and forth instead of DRAWING A LINE IN THE SAND is a fools errand. We have to come back in five or six years to blend the pilot group over time so the union will have more negotiation strength. But you and yours want it all and they want it now.



You think they are meaningless and that may BE your opinion but there are many others and apparently even the union that have LEFT their hardline stance these past few weeks, sticking the rhetoric aside and actually TRYING to come up with some sort of JCBA that somehow salvages SOME possible remuneration for the pilots with a contract that the Company will be happy to honor as is if that is what the UNION wants. But that is not practical NOR prudent on behalf of the pilots. You obviously believe otherwise and if others don't agree with YOU then be prepared to incur the wrath. NO?



What I SAID was that the ONLY WAY you were going to effectuate a JCBA on the back of an already agreed to MOU was to negotiate with the Company and salvage SOME renumeration that we would not normally get because of the cost neutral provision of arbitration in the MOU OR....since the Company has SAID that they did better than they expected they were willing to accelerate pilot pay with 8 (now seven) caveats that the union should look at before they slap the Company with their "glove" and challenge them to a dual. But what I saw then still doesn't change my mind that it was a good deal. It WAS AND IS in comparison to the MOU.



Could it possibly be that you are so set in your "ways" that logic, reason and READING COMPREHENSION are simply beyond your grasp? And could it be that you were SO FOCUSED on somehow beating me over the head with your, lets just say EXTREME myopic, views are probably why we have an inferior contract in the first place. NO?

Go back if you dare, read what I posted (you won't) and what many others here were posting. I already know what you said.

Let's face it. You don't like me because I won't tell you YOUR truth.

I guess your mirror is broken.

Originally Posted by Route66

You said it best.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Yes, that eaglefly's awful, isn't he ?