3 way seniority integration-Fire Away
10-05-2014, 08:52 AM
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3 way seniority integration-Fire Away
In the end, the arbitrator is keen on evenly distributing pilots. Both sides (USAPA and APA) can try to appreciate their positions with maximum credits, but the arbitrator will cut through all of this inflation for an award.
Review of the most recent UAL-CAL award is beneficial insight into how Arbitrator Eishen operates.
Review of the most recent UAL-CAL award is beneficial insight into how Arbitrator Eishen operates.
10-05-2014, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by encore
If 3 separate lists are brought together, everyone seems to agree that it would most likely be the lists that were in effect either on the announcement date or the POR.
With this in mind, in a 3-way combination, is it possible that a pre-AA merger US East new hire (someone hired in 2006-2012) could end up senior to a West pilot hired before the HP/US merger?
With this in mind, in a 3-way combination, is it possible that a pre-AA merger US East new hire (someone hired in 2006-2012) could end up senior to a West pilot hired before the HP/US merger?
10-05-2014, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by encore
If 3 separate lists are brought together, everyone seems to agree that it would most likely be the lists that were in effect either on the announcement date or the POR.
With this in mind, in a 3-way combination, is it possible that a pre-AA merger US East new hire (someone hired in 2006-2012) could end up senior to a West pilot hired before the HP/US merger?
With this in mind, in a 3-way combination, is it possible that a pre-AA merger US East new hire (someone hired in 2006-2012) could end up senior to a West pilot hired before the HP/US merger?
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10-05-2014, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
If you're going to toss the Nic seems to me you'd have to consider 4 lists, pre-merger East and West, US AIR 3rd listers, and pre merger AA.
10-05-2014, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
The so called "Third Listers" are part of the East list, there is no Third Lister List.
10-05-2014, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
My point being that if you just did a hypothetical relative seniority integration of the East and West list, with all the "Third Listers" as part of the East list, the Westies would be justified in being more than a little upset with that. Ultimately Third Listers should be junior to anyone hired prior to the announcement of the East/West Merger.
3 lists means 3 lists.
10-05-2014, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by encore
Why is that necessarily so? Why should someone that can hold 190 CA or 330 FO be put behind someone who can only hold reserve 320 FO?
3 lists means 3 lists.
3 lists means 3 lists.
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10-05-2014, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by encore
Why is that necessarily so? Why should someone that can hold 190 CA or 330 FO be put behind someone who can only hold reserve 320 FO?
3 lists means 3 lists.
3 lists means 3 lists.
Seems to me that the only reason that the disparities that you mention exist is because of the legal maneuverings that have kept the East and West lists separate.
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