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Old 10-05-2014 | 08:40 AM
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Have you sent it to the SLI committee?
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Old 10-05-2014 | 08:52 AM
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In the end, the arbitrator is keen on evenly distributing pilots. Both sides (USAPA and APA) can try to appreciate their positions with maximum credits, but the arbitrator will cut through all of this inflation for an award.

Review of the most recent UAL-CAL award is beneficial insight into how Arbitrator Eishen operates.
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Old 10-05-2014 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by encore
If 3 separate lists are brought together, everyone seems to agree that it would most likely be the lists that were in effect either on the announcement date or the POR.

With this in mind, in a 3-way combination, is it possible that a pre-AA merger US East new hire (someone hired in 2006-2012) could end up senior to a West pilot hired before the HP/US merger?
Only if one holds the HP logic of yesteryear.
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Old 10-05-2014 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by encore
If 3 separate lists are brought together, everyone seems to agree that it would most likely be the lists that were in effect either on the announcement date or the POR.

With this in mind, in a 3-way combination, is it possible that a pre-AA merger US East new hire (someone hired in 2006-2012) could end up senior to a West pilot hired before the HP/US merger?
Absent Nic, junior west pilots may desire DOH methodology.

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Old 10-05-2014 | 09:47 AM
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Only if one holds the HP logic of yesteryear.
Wow, so the potential exists? That could make things interesting.
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Old 10-05-2014 | 09:52 AM
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If you're going to toss the Nic seems to me you'd have to consider 4 lists, pre-merger East and West, US AIR 3rd listers, and pre merger AA.
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Old 10-05-2014 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
If you're going to toss the Nic seems to me you'd have to consider 4 lists, pre-merger East and West, US AIR 3rd listers, and pre merger AA.
The so called "Third Listers" are part of the East list, there is no Third Lister List.
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Old 10-05-2014 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
The so called "Third Listers" are part of the East list, there is no Third Lister List.
My point being that if you just did a hypothetical relative seniority integration of the East and West list, with all the "Third Listers" as part of the East list, the Westies would be justified in being more than a little upset with that. Ultimately Third Listers should be junior to anyone hired prior to the announcement of the East/West Merger.
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Old 10-05-2014 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
My point being that if you just did a hypothetical relative seniority integration of the East and West list, with all the "Third Listers" as part of the East list, the Westies would be justified in being more than a little upset with that. Ultimately Third Listers should be junior to anyone hired prior to the announcement of the East/West Merger.
Why is that necessarily so? Why should someone that can hold 190 CA or 330 FO be put behind someone who can only hold reserve 320 FO?

3 lists means 3 lists.
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Old 10-05-2014 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by encore
Why is that necessarily so? Why should someone that can hold 190 CA or 330 FO be put behind someone who can only hold reserve 320 FO?

3 lists means 3 lists.
Not that I support this thinking, but I see this as a big risk for the junior West pilots if they do, in fact, get their own merger committee. Using their own merger logic from the HP/US merger would have them treated exactly the way the 17 year pilot was in the Nic.

May you live in interesting times.
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