3 way seniority integration-Fire Away
11-02-2014 | 08:18 AM
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Sure. Ask the APA general council, or counsel (i.e. the APA lawyers) to deny that they expressed that legal opinion before the BOD. (
regardless of how one spells "council" you know who it is.)
Or just implicitly assume that they didn't based on a BOD member's inability to transcribe what he heard into a perfectly spelled account.
regardless of how one spells "council" you know who it is.)Or just implicitly assume that they didn't based on a BOD member's inability to transcribe what he heard into a perfectly spelled account.
Anyhoo, that's APA's opinion. It's mine too, so Im not disputing them, just chuckling more or less. We'll have to wait to hear the opinions of those who count though.
11-02-2014 | 08:52 AM
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I seem to come to similar conclusions about those who espouse their supposed expertise on that award, then refer to him as Nicolai. I can't help but scratch my head and wonder how much they really know.
Anyhoo, that's APA's opinion. It's mine too, so Im not disputing them, just chuckling more or less. We'll have to wait to hear the opinions of those who count though.
Anyhoo, that's APA's opinion. It's mine too, so Im not disputing them, just chuckling more or less. We'll have to wait to hear the opinions of those who count though.
I expect the West will be offered a merger committee pursuant to the Protocol Agreement. The 9th appeal will be dismissed with prejudice at AOL's request, and the Nic will remain absent from the employment data and thus excluded from the status quo. Or the West can refuse to participate and continue to pursue their lawsuits, and continue Liberty Tie sales.
11-09-2014 | 10:57 AM
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If I may. None at all. It would only happen if it could be proven frivolous. That won't happen as Judges have already found DFR, BUT not ripe. The DFR is "in process", ie nothing is settled legally. If it had been found frivolous the East could sue for cost and damages. As it is, each side are responsible for their own legal fees and cost.
It sure is quiet around here. I go away a couple of months and everyone stops posting. What the hell is wrong with the USAPA? I did not think APA would allow USAPA on the property. Why did they agree to allow USAPA to continue? Clear as can be they are using you against yourselves. APA wants the best for their pilot group. What better way than to distract USAPA with East/West friction? Using your disagreeable behavior to their advantage you guys are doing them a huge favor. If the leadership of USAPA had any sense they would have disbursed that money to the West and played nice because the big show is not East/West. The big show is SLI against APA. You are going to lose. You are fragmented and still in conflict after all these years and it will hurt you in arbitration. APA will submit your group would still be on LOA93 and a bleak future as regional paid pilots "see they were still fighting after MOU" if not merging. I predicted a similar outcome to UAL/CAL. I think now it is going to be worse than that. APA is going to win big. You will be on the bottom looking up.
It sure is quiet around here. I go away a couple of months and everyone stops posting. What the hell is wrong with the USAPA? I did not think APA would allow USAPA on the property. Why did they agree to allow USAPA to continue? Clear as can be they are using you against yourselves. APA wants the best for their pilot group. What better way than to distract USAPA with East/West friction? Using your disagreeable behavior to their advantage you guys are doing them a huge favor. If the leadership of USAPA had any sense they would have disbursed that money to the West and played nice because the big show is not East/West. The big show is SLI against APA. You are going to lose. You are fragmented and still in conflict after all these years and it will hurt you in arbitration. APA will submit your group would still be on LOA93 and a bleak future as regional paid pilots "see they were still fighting after MOU" if not merging. I predicted a similar outcome to UAL/CAL. I think now it is going to be worse than that. APA is going to win big. You will be on the bottom looking up.
11-14-2014 | 10:28 AM
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I'm not saying that the APA couldn't go to the company and say "hey, we agree with you in principle" but we have a few items that need tweaking, you just might find common ground.
Line in the sand union mentalities are simply not going to cut it and you WILL play into the company's hands.
11-14-2014 | 10:51 AM
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There's a difference between pay rates and pay raises.
The rates in that proposal have all kinds of equalizers like insurance taxes and longer duration to spread out the cost (as well as neuter any chance of considering additional contract pay adjustments at DAL and UAL that the MOU does) which make it almost as cost neutral for management as the MOU provisions and they don't get scope.
Going to have to be some SIGNIFICANT "tweaking" there. Oops !
I used the S word.
Jerry doesn't like that word. 
This is a seniority thread BTW.
11-14-2014 | 11:41 AM
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That's essentially what's occurring. Managements initial proposal is referred to as an "initial" proposal. Who did that ? Look, we know you couldn't care less about scope or any of the other issues potentially negatively impacting large segments of pilots and advocate pilots taking what they might get now, but the proposal is a scam as is.
There's a difference between pay rates and pay raises.
The rates in that proposal have all kinds of equalizers like insurance taxes and longer duration to spread out the cost (as well as neuter any chance of considering additional contract pay adjustments at DAL and UAL that the MOU does) which make it almost as cost neutral for management as the MOU provisions and they don't get scope.
Going to have to be some SIGNIFICANT "tweaking" there. Oops !
I used the S word. Jerry doesn't like that word.
This is a seniority thread BTW.
There's a difference between pay rates and pay raises.
The rates in that proposal have all kinds of equalizers like insurance taxes and longer duration to spread out the cost (as well as neuter any chance of considering additional contract pay adjustments at DAL and UAL that the MOU does) which make it almost as cost neutral for management as the MOU provisions and they don't get scope.
Going to have to be some SIGNIFICANT "tweaking" there. Oops !
I used the S word.
Jerry doesn't like that word. This is a seniority thread BTW.
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