jcountry

They totally would. Without a moment's hesitation.

Every time one of them retires, I get butterflies.

Dolphinflyer

BS.

Try not throwing your dated misconceptions around as fact.

Your statements had some validity at AA and DL in the mid to late 90's, but not anymore.

And no, I am not in the group you are referring to.

jcountry

They voted for sub-Mesa work rules.

If you think ANY of them within 5 years of retirement give 1/millionth of a crap about scope, you are mistaken. I have flown with too many of these guys, and they 100% would walk all over us because "crappy career."

I just hope they don't get the chance to vote. They would screw us. 100% of them would. How do you think we got our turd contract?

450knotOffice

LOL, I have to laugh at the Young Guys who love to bash the Old Guys. It's pretty much true in all walks of life. Us Young Guys are so much more enlightened than you Old Guys.

Remember folks, the Old Guys were the Young Guys not too long ago. It won't be too long before the Young Guys of the next generation will be looking at you as The Old Guys who are clueless, selfish, I'll-trample-on-anybody-types. And they will. As sure as the sun rises in the east.

And no, I'm not an Old Guy yet. Just an observation.

And don't even try to say that that's not true. It's the hallmark of people who make these these statements to claim that "we're different". Haha. Sure you are.

Dolphinflyer

Spare us the sermon, seriously. The only reason I am engaging you on this subject is to point out to the new guys how wrong you are with your blanket slander.

No group is perfect, we can find examples from #1 through #15000 like you describe. You complain about "senior" Captains who will vote to throw Scope and destroyed our work rules? Welcome to the party. I also flew with Captains like that as FO and always wondered where they came from until I upgraded halfway through the initial AAL Section 6/Initial CHP11 process. Guess what I found? The FO's I flew with were as bad or even worse at holding the line, and many of the "tough talkers" would trash our contract as soon as they figured out some deal was better for them or they could catch a commuter flight 1 hour earlier.

Don't like sub-mesa work rules? Neither do I. I didn't vote for it, it was something we ate because of Chapter 11, the same crap that until very recently had LAW/LUS narrow body Captains working for $125/hour. The threatened AMR forced 1113 rate was mid $150's.

The next Section 6 is coming up fast. We will go nowhere with your attitude and BS crying. Do us a favor and apply for a FO Chief Pilot position. At my southern base, two of the biggest screaming crap throwing alleged unionists applied for Chief Pilot positions.

It's time to get together and clean up the mess.

jcountry

Whatever, bro.

I'm just saying they would absolutely cave on scope for 3 cents per hour.

There are some good ones, but the vast majority I fly with simply do not care. Many really view it as a "I had a rough career, so it's all about me now."

I flew for a regional, and people simply weren't like this. Sure, there were some self centered ass hats, but they were the exception. This group has been through hell, and I get it. That's still no reason to impose hell on everyone else.

I think things will improve. Maybe enough will retire that a difference will be felt, but I definitely sense a bad vibe from most of the ones within a couple years of 65. It's kind of a "don't worry, you'll be senior someday and then you can screw everyone else" sort of thing. It's remarkably common

PRS Guitars

Not sure where you are based, but this hasn't been my experience at all (CLT 321). Matter of fact I don't recall even one guy having this attitude. Of course, this topic doesn't always come up, and how a guy votes on JCBA could vary from how they talk...

jcountry

Different bases probably have vastly different cultures. Maybe it's just the slice I'm seeing.

(But this awful contract did pass by a wide margin somehow...)

Dolphinflyer

Read enough of your posts.

Odds are that your "vibe" is a resonance emanating from your own personality that is reflecting right back on yourself.

While you're at it, give up your career as a political consultant. If you had the slightest knowledge of numbers, you'd realize that a cohesive FO group could far offset any number of geriatric scope caving curmudgeons. And keep ignoring my factual observations on your FO brotherhood.

Keep doing that and we'll having a new CLT-PEK route through the earth's core from your maniacal hole digging.

Obviously you'll never accept any criticisms of your "look at me", "all is lost" posts.

Name User

With only 1000 widebody CA positions here I sincerely doubt they would swing a vote. The company would get better traction catering to the roughly 8000 FOs vs 6000 CAs.

We have a lot of mid level and junior "more experienced" folks than people realize I think.