I don't know that detail, so I'm not going to guess if they did or not. I would imagine they'd have to or they'd defeat the purpose of having PBS. Who knows at this point, I'm sure we'll find out more. Regardless of the outcome of this vote, PBS will be here to stay in about a year.

 

What Huey said.

Buuuut, they need the HBT and division consolidation fast to roll PBS out on sched. Without it, they'll need to revamp the process for present rules delaying PBS, unless of course Parker comes back to the table like he did at Envoy multiple times.

It's known as a "bum's rush".

Looks like a lot of us are eagerly taking the bait.

 

The first sign post on Error Blvd. (his post), is "the company values". Virtually everything the company maintains is their valuation is inflated. That's what their excuse was on the last minute rejection of Min. Calendar day and they CLEARLY are untrustworthy.

 

Welcome to what arbitration will be

 

One thing I like about PBS is, you build your own line (seniority permitting of course). Under our system (and they are all different from what I've heard) we chose the trips we want to fly AND we choose the days we want off. If you are senior, you can hold both, the best trips and the best days off.

Even if you are junior, you can usually get the days off you need for Mom and the kids, the Guard, etc. but you might have to eat some crappy trips to do it. Under our old "Line of Time" bid sheets, the lines were built by crew schedulers, without regard to consistency in days off or trips, they just built lines that fit the mold.

Even if you were the most senior pilot in your category, you might not be able to find a single pre-published line that had both the trips you want, and all the days off you need. You then had to hope you could swap some trips for the days off you really need, etc.

When our PBS first runs and builds your line, there are still caps, but they could only be as high as about 82 hours. We left some loopholes open as far as swapping a low time 1-2 day trip for a high time 4-6 day trip, after the bids are awarded. That's how guys can be awarded a line with say, 77 hours initially, then they can swap up to the FAR max of 100hrs. in 28 days.

If we had kept that one loophole closed, Delta would have had to start hiring years ago, instead of just last year. There are a few other loopholes too, all of which lead to more flying, less hiring.

BUT...some pilots LOVE it and don't ever want those loopholes closed.

 

Pbs from a past airline for me was great and as you described above. Build your line, add or drop trips with easy, only required to fly 65 hours if I recall correctly.

It all comes down to the specific language built into it and having Union over sight when trips are built.

We don't know any of these details and probably won't for a while but I would venture to say it won't be the doom and gloom that is constantly brought up here.

Heck they make it sound worse than some of the worst regionals.

 

Mesa has "Caledar day pay". Just sayin..

 

I've talked to one of the guys working the PBS implementation. He's a line pilot and he thinks we'll like PBS once it gets up and running and everyone gets trained on how to use it...and once we absorb the "efficiencies" it'll produce. It will probably slow seniority progression a bit but with the attrition we're seeing and will see, we'll still move on up the ladder, albeit a bit slower.

I'm looking forward to PBS, honestly. Hopefully it'll make me a line holder faster. I think a lot of the crappy lines that AA sees (like the A319 in DFW...wow, those are some ugly lines) will probably get better. Those schedules are pretty inefficient and pretty much just wastes your time away from base. I've been told PBS will help "fix" that to some degree, although not to the degree that min calendar day will.

 

Delta PBS guarantees a contractual 13 days off in a 30 day bid period and 14 days off in a 31 day bid period. At AA, PBS will only be required to honor your 10 day off contractual minimum. That's the reason delta has been largely successful with PBS, because their contract limited the amount of days away from home.

 

Really ?

Hmmm.......

Well, before I comment, perhaps you could elaborate on how valuation will impact arbitration ?

Clearly, you thoroughly understand that and I'd like to learn something.