AA Pilots Unite Or Fold Forever
01-06-2015 | 05:57 PM
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I'm not sure if you're intentionally missing the gist of what I'm trying to get through to you or not.
I disagree that it's a BETTER place to be. At this point, my gut says we are getting a contract VALUE that is overall higher than the present one.
If we go to arbitration we lose the overall higher value and end up with status quo. Regardless of what we trade, it's going to end up being cost neutral which as an overall value is much lower than what is currently on the table, IMO.
We need the APA to provide relevant details and costs involved with everything as well as the language...
I disagree that it's a BETTER place to be. At this point, my gut says we are getting a contract VALUE that is overall higher than the present one.
If we go to arbitration we lose the overall higher value and end up with status quo. Regardless of what we trade, it's going to end up being cost neutral which as an overall value is much lower than what is currently on the table, IMO.
We need the APA to provide relevant details and costs involved with everything as well as the language...
Game over.
01-06-2015 | 06:32 PM
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Got your gist, but I'm not sure you're getting my vibe of tragedy. To wit, with arbitration we still retain items Parker wants and very likely will try to again negotiate for (just like a Envoy). With this TA, he has everything but scope and the cheapest pilots in all contractual aspects essentially forever. With no contractual weapons of leverage, we're left with putting it all on the line in 2020 or likely years later and let's face it......if we can't do it now, we don't do it in 5-10 years when we're all older and more risk adverse.
Game over.
Game over.
Parker gets his either way - either he gets the pilots to agree to do away with the above or he keeps pay rates lower and that compensates for the lack of efficiency created by not getting his wants.
01-06-2015 | 06:41 PM
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Not to worry. I plan to stock my lifeboat in 2020 and row myself away before she rolls over on down to Davy Jones' locker.
01-06-2015 | 07:00 PM
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You're still ignoring the fact that the dom/intl and HBT really isn't worth all that much. In dollar terms.
Parker gets his either way - either he gets the pilots to agree to do away with the above or he keeps pay rates lower and that compensates for the lack of efficiency created by not getting his wants.
Parker gets his either way - either he gets the pilots to agree to do away with the above or he keeps pay rates lower and that compensates for the lack of efficiency created by not getting his wants.
01-06-2015 | 07:03 PM
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You're still ignoring the fact that the dom/intl and HBT really isn't worth all that much. In dollar terms.
Parker gets his either way - either he gets the pilots to agree to do away with the above or he keeps pay rates lower and that compensates for the lack of efficiency created by not getting his wants.
Parker gets his either way - either he gets the pilots to agree to do away with the above or he keeps pay rates lower and that compensates for the lack of efficiency created by not getting his wants.
I'm sorry, but you have a looooong wait ahead of you on that.
01-06-2015 | 07:10 PM
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