Originally Posted by fr8tmastr

Not surprised at all, been there. What does surprise me is why anyone would want to make our current conditions equal or less than said commuters?
We just got 3% 8 days ago, we will get another 13 or 16% (can't remember at the moment) and it could be more depending on Delta, Jan 1 2016. That is a 16-19% raise in 1 year and we don't give up a thing. Remember cost neutral arbitration.
You are so willing to give up all the company asks for a 5-8 percent raise 11.5 months earlier? You will NEVER see those concessions returned. Here is the ironic part, because someone just like yourself will vote for the next company proposal for the exact same reasons you want it now.

All time record Airline profits, the union is only asking for parity nothing more, management can only respond "NO" to anything and everything. And yet you are all for concessions?? Boy does Parker have your number.

If you are not willing to say no to concessions now, when would you?

Originally Posted by inline five

First a YES vote getting rid of HBT and intl/dom doesn't make AA equal or less than the commuters. Please name one commuter that needs to use HBT to staff or separates their intl/dom flying. Voting NO doesn't give us min day pay, low cost healthcare, trip/duty rigs, block or better leg by leg, etc. Let's drop the rhetoric, it doesn't help the cause.

As I said in my other thread on the subject, the Delta "raise" is irrelevant.

Why?

Go to eLibrarian. Miscellaneous, MTA- US Version 1.0. Open it.

Expand the contents and click on supplements -> Supplement A Mid contract pay adjustment.

Read C. (1) a.

OK, now what does it mean?

It means the published pay rates available currently and used in the company's offer letter are accurate.

The figures used are OVER AND ABOVE THE PAY PARITY RATE ADJUSTMENT and already accounts for that.

I had several examples that show how much extra folks would earn using the company proposed rates vs voting NO and taking the pay parity.

This isn't about sliding the raise forward one year, and foregoing a couple pennies.

Vote however you will just understand exactly how the raise is calculated, what we'll be getting, and what we'll be losing. Delta could get a massive 25% raise on 1/1/2016 and we wouldn't see any of that calculated in our pay parity.

My guess is the company knows we'll get HBT and dom/int'l under the combined company and wishes to avoid the gigantic PITA factor it's going to bring. Losing it in arbitration isn't a reality, otherwise they would've just gone to arbitration and kept their $1.8 bil for Doug & the Boys. So if you really like having a split company, and think HBT is a jobs generator, vote NO and forego the raise. That's pretty much what it comes down to.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Well, as I type this it's been over an hour since I directed you to C & R and yet no response to the "new option" question ? You're on line as we speak and there should be no problem to shoot over to the APA website and reference the Heath Care thread. If you haven't done it, I'd like to ask that you do that now. A few keystrokes and you're back in 5 minutes.

If you cannot do that, then may I ask why you do not have access to C & R ?

ALL AA and US Airways pilots in good standing with APA can do that. The clock is ticking..............

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Yup, still a green dot and on-line.....and while you're at it, could you please provide the thread title just to ensure we're on the same page ?

Thanx.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Well, as I type this it's been over an hour since I directed you to C & R and yet no response to the "new option" question ? You're on line as we speak and there should be no problem to shoot over to the APA website and reference the Heath Care thread. If you haven't done it, I'd like to ask that you do that now. A few keystrokes and you're back in 5 minutes.

If you cannot do that, then may I ask why you do not have access to C & R ?

ALL AA and US Airways pilots in good standing with APA can do that. The clock is ticking..............

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Yup, still a green dot and on-line.....and while you're at it, could you please provide the thread title just to ensure we're on the same page ?

Thanx.

Originally Posted by inline five

I assume this is it:

Vote "Yes" and prepare to "lose" your medical coverage as you now know it!

Yes/no?

If so I just read it. It does have some worrisome clauses in it. But no where does it contain language that the company would terminate our health care plans.

The biggest one I read that caused concern was that if the arbitrator couldn't make a ruing in time, the company would just implement the changes. That's bogus, and certainly should've been struck from the language.

I wonder if the FAs contract has the healthcare clause in there, if not, we don't even have to worry about it.

As a side note, the actual idea behind the ACA was a good one, but it was watered down so much by the Republicans trying to get a bipartisan vote that it neutered the true ideas behind it. At the company my wife left, their family coverage increased to almost $14,000 a year out of pocket alone.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Excellent. Could explain the "worrisome" clauses you mention and specifically what "new option" means ?

BTW, this whole sham is Bogus and needs to be rejected.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Looks like our resident "finger" has shown up to give us all the finger. You can always count on a union-buster to embrace that which he loves.....a broken union.

Their presence always reminds me of a line from 'The Exorcist'......"The demon is a liar. He will mix lies with the truth to confuse us and then attack us. The attack is psychological, but powerful."

The number of the demon here is 66 (he just hides the last 6 from us for obvious reasons).