Silence and a yes vote gives them what they want in the future when they may NOT be making huge profits, yet squabbling about it now proves to them they are on solid ground to get that. In other words, at this point we're screwed unless the TA is rejected. The only path out is rejection, sucking it up and working under the present Green Book (still getting the majority of our raises as per the MOU), coming together and rebuilding ourselves as unified and relevant for WHENEVER the time that Parker must reengage.

Unfortunately, that's the more difficult path and one that isn't as easily rationalized. I'd rather send them a message of internal chaos as we are doing now and have the ability to correct it, then making them wonder only to be confirmed at the end of the month. Besides, what's more destabilizing to a company than a critical segment of its employees that are essentially at war with EACH OTHER ?

The beauty of that, is that tends to be something NO ONE can control, not management nor a union leadership. Wouldn't it be interesting in the future if Parker and Glasses strategy of busting this union (and that IS the strategy) simply lit the fuse to something that cannot be stopped from going off even with a subsequent change of heart ?

It worked for him at US Airways, but toward the end he knew it would not only not work for the long-term, he had no way to correct it.

Out-of-control chaos may not be such a bad place to be when you've got nothing to lose and nowhere to go but up.

Just a thought, anyway.......

 

You are the only pilot that ever deployed. Was it really hard? Did you live in a tent? Could you help Parker with setting up a camp next to the training center so we can save him money. It would be fun... Deployment lite! We would all feel good about helping!

 

I'd smile too if I had McDee's, Subway, salad bar, internet, females within reach. I saw none of that in VN. Now my uniform shirt says "Made in Viet Nam" and I'm confused. ;-)

 

Not intended to be a d!ck measuring contest. The point I was making (because apparently you all missed it) is that I'm happy due to making the most out of situations. No, we don't have a Delta-ish contract but I'm not going to spend my life like EF preaching doom and misery.

Good luck spending your lives b!tching about everything.

 

Those who don't attempt to improve their situations never do.

Your proclamation of being an "F-NO !" in 2020 sounds all the more silly and illogical back-dropped by your present state of meek pacifism.

 

But surely (don't call me Shirley) you cannot defend the January 19th date, after only getting the final language last night. We are not playing "Let's Make a Deal." Do you not see the utter disrespect towards pilots when being so caviler about the date with something this important? They act as if they do not understand just how much this means to pilots - or they do understand and they don't care. Either way this 19 January date is indefensible.

 

I haven't defended the Jan 19 date and I've gone on record stating I support the Jan 30 voting date in other threads.

 

Actually I think EF is a pretty happy go lucky type guy.

Voting yes is stupid but not doom and gloom. Two out of my three houses are paid off so I will be fine either way, NO is just the smart way to go.

 

I was OK with the pay increase and the retro. While I don't understand why electronic voting can't occur prior to the Jan 19th deadline, neither do I understand why management can't wait until Jan 30th for a membership vote. Without the retro after the 19th the TA is DOA. Management is being petty with their deadline cutoff. Thats the line for me, no retro as promised equals a no vote from a previous yes voter. The line operation will really suffer after the 19th without compromise from AA. It should not have come down to this, but it is what it is.

 

You were happy in a war zone? The same place that your brothers in arms were being killed and injured. Not to mention all the death and destruction on the other side. And you were happy? I can see a few laughs here and there, I can get being proud of what you were trying to accomplish, but happy with all that human suffering?
Now I am starting to understand why you a "happy" with the concessions.