AAG places new Group 1 aircraft order
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Gotta love people who wish others ill. Nice.
But hate to burst your bubble. If we ordered more and I wound up flying them, then I would. It's part of the job. I'd rather us get the RJ flying back in house than hope we never did just to avoid flying a Group I airplane for a little while.
But hate to burst your bubble. If we ordered more and I wound up flying them, then I would. It's part of the job. I'd rather us get the RJ flying back in house than hope we never did just to avoid flying a Group I airplane for a little while.
Nice try at spin though.
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Probably not, however it would likely mean a longer wait to Group II captain, unless he want to take a pay cut to Group I captain just to be a captain. From what I've heard of these now on the East, Group I captain isn't popular with Group II or III F/O's. Of course, now if they have insufficient bidders, they can force the most junior in domicile into a nice RSV Group I captain slot (AKA, "the piñata") from their once line-holding Group II F/O position as opposed to the system. Sure, they are pay protected, but flying Group I reserve to FAR limits will be quite a shock for a former Group II pilots, especially if they once held a line.
Don't worry, they will just operate 20 in perpetuity and this is all hysteria. All is well.........All is well.![Wink](https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)
Don't worry, they will just operate 20 in perpetuity and this is all hysteria. All is well.........All is well.
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And we've operated the E190 fleet for around 7-8 years now with no major changes...they've had plenty of time to make good on the "cheapest part of the labor contract" advantage but haven't.
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Kinda had a "good, hope you get screwed over" tone to it. Whatever. So people who voted "yes" sold others out? That's a tired line.
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It's not "popular" because they only have 20 of them based at PHL. If we had them in CLT I'd consider it. And if they are forcing the most junior in domicile (that's qualified) into the E190 CA slot, that person might not be a line holder. It takes about 2 years to hold a line in CLT. About 18 months in DCA and PHL. And I don't know about LAA reserves, but LUS reserves rarely fly to the FAR limits.
We have yet to see how PBS will shake out with that status. I think you're a little to cocky and certain about what is and isn't possible in the future.
That's because you are basing that on a stand alone US Airways and not the merged "new" AA. This carrier has yet to capitalize on its synergies and I think you'll be surprised what may occur. It could be a great plane out of MIA and even at DFW with 2200 max. range (Embraers future version of Neo even better ?), it can cover CA (heck, Eagle already DOES go to Mexico out of DFW), long-thin routes to some Caribbean locations and perhaps further.
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I seem to remember hearing that past bids for E-190 captain went unfilled. I'd say that makes it unpopular. I understand that status is VERY junior, even somfar as to being offered to probationary pilots. I'd say that makes it unpopular. FAR limits ?
We have yet to see how PBS will shake out with that status. I think you're a little to cocky and certain about what is and isn't possible in the future.
That's because you are basing that on a stand alone US Airways and not the merged "new" AA. This carrier has yet to capitalize on its synergies and I think tou'll be surprised what may occur. It could be a great plane out of MIA and even at DFW with 2200 max. range (Embraers future version of Neo even better ?), it can cover CA (heck, Eagle already DOES go to Mexico out of DFW), long-thin routes to some Caribbean locations and perhaps further.
We have yet to see how PBS will shake out with that status. I think you're a little to cocky and certain about what is and isn't possible in the future.
That's because you are basing that on a stand alone US Airways and not the merged "new" AA. This carrier has yet to capitalize on its synergies and I think tou'll be surprised what may occur. It could be a great plane out of MIA and even at DFW with 2200 max. range (Embraers future version of Neo even better ?), it can cover CA (heck, Eagle already DOES go to Mexico out of DFW), long-thin routes to some Caribbean locations and perhaps further.
Issue now is the 190 is only in Philly and I'm refusing to move there for the time being. If it comes to MIA I would probably bid it when we get this SLI stuff figured out.
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I seem to remember hearing that past bids for E-190 captain went unfilled. I'd say that makes it unpopular. I understand that status is VERY junior, even so far as to being offered to probationary pilots. I'd say that makes it unpopular. FAR limits ?
We have yet to see how PBS will shake out with that status. I think you're a little to cocky and certain about what is and isn't possible in the future.
We have yet to see how PBS will shake out with that status. I think you're a little to cocky and certain about what is and isn't possible in the future.
I am just noting our current and past behavior with the E190. It might change drastically, and it might not. At least I'm attempting to use past practices rather than simply making stuff up, which is what some people on here love to do.
But I do believe the E190 is unpopular for two reasons: 1) It's based in PHL, arguably our most junior domicile. 2) It's mostly used for shuttle flying, which isn't what most people like doing.
Base it elsewhere and have it pick up other routes that the RJs are flying (like CLT-LIT or other medium-sized cities) and trips like that are much better than the PHL-LGA-BOS shuttle trips. I have a feeling E190 CA slots at other bases doing other types of work would probably be easier to fill.
That's because you are basing that on a stand alone US Airways and not the merged "new" AA. This carrier has yet to capitalize on its synergies and I think you'll be surprised what may occur. It could be a great plane out of MIA and even at DFW with 2200 max. range (Embraers future version of Neo even better ?), it can cover CA (heck, Eagle already DOES go to Mexico out of DFW), long-thin routes to some Caribbean locations and perhaps further.
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If I lived in domicile I would bid the 190CA position now that the pay is higher. I came from the commuters and enjoy the shorter flights. You'd enjoy super seniority, and being a junior airplane you tend to fly with the newer guys who actually enjoy coming to work and know how fortunate they are.
Issue now is the 190 is only in Philly and I'm refusing to move there for the time being. If it comes to MIA I would probably bid it when we get this SLI stuff figured out.
Issue now is the 190 is only in Philly and I'm refusing to move there for the time being. If it comes to MIA I would probably bid it when we get this SLI stuff figured out.
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Who knows what's "possible in the future". No one has a working crystal ball that I know of, although there are plenty here who think they do.
I am just noting our current and past behavior with the E190. It might change drastically, and it might not. At least I'm attempting to use past practices rather than simply making stuff up, which is what some people on here love to do.
But I do believe the E190 is unpopular for two reasons: 1) It's based in PHL, arguably our most junior domicile. 2) It's mostly used for shuttle flying, which isn't what most people like doing.
Base it elsewhere and have it pick up other routes that the RJs are flying (like CLT-LIT or other medium-sized cities) and trips like that are much better than the PHL-LGA-BOS shuttle trips. I have a feeling E190 CA slots at other bases doing other types of work would probably be easier to fill.
US Airways had plenty of routes that they could have put E190s on. Many of the flights out of CLT would be E190 friendly...like the CLT-RDU and CLT-ORF flights. But they didn't...because they would rather rely on large RJs or A319s to do much of the work.
I am just noting our current and past behavior with the E190. It might change drastically, and it might not. At least I'm attempting to use past practices rather than simply making stuff up, which is what some people on here love to do.
But I do believe the E190 is unpopular for two reasons: 1) It's based in PHL, arguably our most junior domicile. 2) It's mostly used for shuttle flying, which isn't what most people like doing.
Base it elsewhere and have it pick up other routes that the RJs are flying (like CLT-LIT or other medium-sized cities) and trips like that are much better than the PHL-LGA-BOS shuttle trips. I have a feeling E190 CA slots at other bases doing other types of work would probably be easier to fill.
US Airways had plenty of routes that they could have put E190s on. Many of the flights out of CLT would be E190 friendly...like the CLT-RDU and CLT-ORF flights. But they didn't...because they would rather rely on large RJs or A319s to do much of the work.
I think it will all work out.
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They did have 190's in CLT, the only reason they don't now is because they sold half the fleet to Republic. They have since bought some of them back.
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