Cactus's last stand
04-09-2015, 02:34 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
Maybe but this is the worst I have ever seen. Republic/NWA pails in comparison and I do mean PAILS! In that merger there was not a calculated effort on the part of either party to bring harm to the other. The arbitrator made his ruling and that was that folks HONORED IT even when they did not like or agree with the ruling. The position that was taken by the LUS East pilots have destroyed any change of rebuilding trust. That ship has sailed and I firmly believe that bitterness and hatred will linger on for years 2030 is my best guess.
WD at AWA
WD at AWA
I'm not bitter at all, so speak for yourself. I'm moving up the Captain list quite fast, I'm getting great pay and the ride looks smooth for the rest of MY career. It's all about ME and the Company, now. So when you're HATRED boils over in 2020 I'll be saluting you from the Cockpit while you're out walking the picket line trying to explain to the passengers how overpaid and underworked you are.
04-09-2015, 05:54 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by Route66
The "arbitrator" gave them what sould have happened here...equal treatment for equal time. I will NOT agree with my time given less value than yours. PERIOD. Unionism is gone for good here because now the company knows everyone is REQUIRED to follow the SOP's and the law (FAA). The profession is out of the unions hands and that is a new realty that you and them have yet to come to grips with.
I'm not bitter at all, so speak for yourself. I'm moving up the Captain list quite fast, I'm getting great pay and the ride looks smooth for the rest of MY career. It's all about ME and the Company, now. So when you're HATRED boils over in 2020 I'll be saluting you from the Cockpit while you're out walking the picket line trying to explain to the passengers how overpaid and underworked you are.
I'm not bitter at all, so speak for yourself. I'm moving up the Captain list quite fast, I'm getting great pay and the ride looks smooth for the rest of MY career. It's all about ME and the Company, now. So when you're HATRED boils over in 2020 I'll be saluting you from the Cockpit while you're out walking the picket line trying to explain to the passengers how overpaid and underworked you are.
Talk to the republic that are left and see if they feel the way you do! I can guarantee they do NOT. Neither republic nor NWA was bankrupt Usair WAS. Neither Republic nor NWA had nearly 40% of their pilots furloughed Usair DID!
Don't use the word equal. Nothing at all about the east has been equal. You have lied, cheated and stolen and gotten away with it from help from that drunken pig Ed Bular. Now because a REAL union is back you are crying foul wanting to pack up your marbles and not play anymore. Well I am all for that in your case and support you 100% in fact I think you should not pay a penny in dues to APA. STOP PAYING TODAY! Call them and tell them how you feel and that you should be allowed to continue to screw over and entire airlines pilots, the very ones that SAVED you from certain furlough! No matter how you slice it you are employed today for no other reason than AMERICA WEST AIRLINES. Now you think about that for a while, NO OTHER REASON.
WD at AWA
04-09-2015, 07:26 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
In that merger there was not a calculated effort on the part of either party to bring harm to the other.
We gave you a dollar and moved on.
04-09-2015, 07:59 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by FreighterGuyNow
The america west pilots are the equivalent of a bum with loaded underwear.
We gave you a dollar and moved on.
We gave you a dollar and moved on.
WD at AWA
04-09-2015, 08:28 AM
#35
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
You did WHAT??? Broke and I mean DEAD BROKE. Hell America West met the east payroll because there was zero money left in the the tanks of usair prior to AWA bailing you out. So what dollar did you supposedly give us?? This should be REALLY GOOD, we are waiting
WD at AWA
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04-09-2015, 08:50 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by inline five
America West didn't bail anyone out. Hell, my commuter owned more of US Airways than America West did. Creditors bailed out US Airways & America West. Together. Both were *******'ed.
WD at AWA
04-09-2015, 09:17 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by Wiskey Driver
Hmmmm I just don't recall AWA being bankrupt maybe you have some official documentation you care to share with us all that will support your claim. Can't wait to read what you have.
WD at AWA
WD at AWA
With the run-up in fuel prices you needed the liquidity provided by the merger. You were a year away from being insolvent.
AMERICA WEST HOLDINGS CORP - 10-K Annual Report - 12/31/2004
The financing for the merger and subsequent liquidity came from outside the airline. America West contributed nothing to the merger. Neither did US Airways. It was an outside deal, just like the US-AA one. Incidentally, it's most likely why Dough & CO. have been purchasing stock. It's a dumb investment but temp. pops the stock (or keeps it up) allowing the UCC members to offload their allotment and GTFO.
I'm not sure why you guys are so mad. You won the career lottery.
04-09-2015, 09:25 AM
#38
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Originally Posted by inline five
I'm not sure why you guys are so mad. You won the career lottery.
99% of those involved at America West, US Airways, and American have it better today than they would've had the mergers not happened. They're making more money, have a more secure future, and have a better retirement than if their airlines had gone it alone.
04-09-2015, 10:30 AM
#39
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Originally Posted by inline five
With the run-up in fuel prices you needed the liquidity provided by the merger. You were a year away from being insolvent.
AMERICA WEST HOLDINGS CORP - 10-K Annual Report - 12/31/2004
The financing for the merger and subsequent liquidity came from outside the airline. America West contributed nothing to the merger. Neither did US Airways. It was an outside deal, just like the US-AA one. Incidentally, it's most likely why Dough & CO. have been purchasing stock. It's a dumb investment but temp. pops the stock (or keeps it up) allowing the UCC members to offload their allotment and GTFO.
I'm not sure why you guys are so mad. You won the career lottery.
AMERICA WEST HOLDINGS CORP - 10-K Annual Report - 12/31/2004
The financing for the merger and subsequent liquidity came from outside the airline. America West contributed nothing to the merger. Neither did US Airways. It was an outside deal, just like the US-AA one. Incidentally, it's most likely why Dough & CO. have been purchasing stock. It's a dumb investment but temp. pops the stock (or keeps it up) allowing the UCC members to offload their allotment and GTFO.
I'm not sure why you guys are so mad. You won the career lottery.
WD at AWA
04-09-2015, 11:28 AM
#40
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I love the irony that you're attacking our favorite drunken pig Ed Bular on this post because it's Ed that switch the call sign from USAir to cactus after hearing a PHX female 75 f/o's cry and whine about how they lost all their identity even their call sign, I know I was there.
BTY it's "pale" not "pail" a "pail" is something you carry all your tears in. now go dump it out, replace it with money and move the hell on.
BTY it's "pale" not "pail" a "pail" is something you carry all your tears in. now go dump it out, replace it with money and move the hell on.
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