PurpleTurtle

After all these years I would have expected you to realize your lawyer is making a killing off of yall's eagerness to accept implicit assumptions.

DarinFred

The company has the best judges and lawyers money can buy. I highly doubt there will be an injunction from any of these stupid lawsuits that are in the works.

SilverandSore

This hill is just a teeny, eansie, weanise bit steeper. Injunction to stop federal law that's been used only recently, yep, just a little bit steeper.

Vendetta

The lawsuits are gonna be irrelevant in this one I almost choked on my beer last night reading about an injunction against 3 arbitrators but I could see Marty selling it in the form of Liberty under garments for 1350$. "No better way to share your love life than to show your loyalty to aol oh and the flag and maybe your wife".....Uh you guys realize the company already gave us the money(shiny big pilot pay rates) without decent work rules, there is no profitable incentive to keep us seperate actually negatives regularding the synergies the company wants to realize. I think everyone will be very surprised at 5am on Christmas morning. No the list will not be released at 5am don't read that far in. Good luck you will need it

Wiskey Driver

Laughing, I don't have a lawyer.

WD

Wiskey Driver

I think you misunderstand the point. I am not saying that there will be only that there is a possibility that there can be. M&B is new and has yet to be tested in court so 3 arbitrators or a 100 is not important. There could be a minor item contained within that a court may find unjust, you just don't know. Either way the train will still pull out of the station on time or at least attempt to.

WD

Wiskey Driver

I don't know if you were asking about successful challenges or just challenges. I am referring to just challenges and not success. There have been a few challenges of SLI's but nothing with M&B that I know of.

http://media.ca11.uscourts.gov/opini.../201511887.pdf

WD

Upsddown

The arbs are very, very unlikely to have made that mistake. They are quite aware the likelihood of this being taken to court. Hence their unorthodox handling of this arbitration.

They gave the West a seat at the table. They gave USAPA time to reorganize themselves into the East. They are giving the West and LAA plenty of time for rebuttal. Going to be hard to find fault in this case.

I've always felt this should have been a two step arbitration. First step, decide whether the NIC will or will not be used. Second step, after all three parties know the outcome of NIC conduct the second arbitration.

Seems the arbs are doing a two step process just a little differently.

This is a "rebuttal" process that is going on for a month. Traditionally you get a "comment" period of a week or two.

Your leadership will sue. Some will be in denial. Some will be delusional. Some will be convinced by their extremely expensive attorneys they can overturn the arbs decision and each will file for political cover with their members. But none will succeed.

What you see in a couple of weeks will be what your career looks like. Everyone get prepared for some sticker shock.

Wiskey Driver

This sounds about right. Some of us it will have zero effect upon

WD

R57 relay

I was specifically thinking of injunctions. That document is 21 pages long so I just scanned it, but I don't think it ended in an injunction.

I think just about every SLI leads to lawsuits. I don't think any have been successful. UA pilots got something through the courts, with the scabs I believe, but that's the only one I can remember.

The courts haven't helped our situation. *IF* the Nic is not used it will be because of a lot of special circumstances ranging from the TA to the merger and MOU.

I'm not generally a betting man, but I'd put a dollar on a lawsuit being filed on this one, but about as successful as any other. I'd like for guys not to waste our time and money. The company and APA seem to have dotted their i's and crossed their t's.