Upsddown

It's not young vs. old, but the more senior pilot did disproportionately float.

Narrow body pilots floated less than four days on average. Widebody was more in the eight to eleven day average with senior captains, the ones who make the most and generally have less expenses (kids at home), floating the most.

Why do they do it? Because there are no ramifications. In the old days these pilots would have been highlighted.

The union needs to have these awards posted on every union board around the system so pilots will have to face their peers in the open. It's public information so post it. It won't change everyone but it will sure make them think the next time that the union asks something of them. Many did it because they didn't think anyone would notice.

Those that floated are the first to want more but they want others to be the ones to make the sacrifices to get more.

If the APA leadership is aiming to get enhancements it will need the support of its members. It's time we know who is with us and who isn't.

No more hiding. No more excuses.
It's time to be a union again with required participation from all its members, not just some. That's how our forefathers successfully established this profession decades ago. It wasn't from management's kindness it was from the solidarity of its pilots.

drinksonme

So alas, we can finally see that the "entitlement" generation are those who are calling the kettle black.

No more self-entitled of a generation, in the history mankind, then that of the boomers. Their parents, of the greatest generation, gave them the world with their hard work and determination. The boomers then took it and ruined for all to follow. Now they sit as the elders and blame the youth for the problems.

No, it's not an age thing. It's a demographic thing. The old guard, primarily, here once again headed trough to without regard or care. You all can't retire soon enough. Then we, the youth, (junior) can fix this place with your entilted, self righteous being, seeing how great you could have had it from the sideline at the end of life.

mainlineAF

Shouldn't have said all and shouldn't have said old. My fault.

I should have said most of the senior guys. They are spineless and already got theirs. So f everyone else.


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Arado 234

Isn't it called "alternative fact" these days?

DarinFred

Sliceback = RB? If so, so many things just became clearer...

aa73

It is indeed unfortunate that those who floated quoted a plethora of excuses ranging from "I never got notification" to "I thought it was a dumb idea" to "APA will lose big with this..." etc, etc, etc.

Bottom line is, this was a request and display of unity. Whatever the disagreements over the process, our union president and the entire BOD requested and honored the no float campaign - that means that the membership follows suit, no questions asked. That is true Unionism.

Anybody who did not honor this request does not understand true Unionism. The only folks who get a pass on floating are those on medical leave, disability.

One of the ironic things is that one of our resident experts on our contract and PBS clearly shows that floaters lose $$$ under PBS and work more.

In the end we had roughly 75% of the entire membership that didn't float. Any way you look at it, that it some good unity overall. Congrats folks and proud to call you Union Brothers and Sisters.

mainlineAF

The RB im thinking of is MIA 77 or 76. I think Slice is LGA AB. Not sure tho. RB is a huge idiot so it's a good possibility, but he's more in your face about it.

aa73

While I don't agree with Slice's option to float, I've known him long enough to at least figure he had extenuating circumstances that caused him to do so. Always give folks benefit of the doubt.

And say what you want about him... he's helped me out a ton the past years on all sorts of stuff. He's a good guy. We don't always see eye to eye but I respect him.

mainlineAF

Extenuating circumstances? Unless a close family member was extremely ill then I don't see what they could be.

I will not give a guy the benefit of the doubt when his union asked him specifically not to do something. Idc what his "data" showed about the merits of not floating.

Union says don't float then don't float. Slice just got outed as the selfish company blowhard he is.

izzy

I didn't float, but I never have floated. When the first combined vacation bid became available the topic of floating and staffing came up on our west web boards and I decided not to float.

Considering this herd of cats in so many camps, I think the fact that overall floating seems to be down quite a bit is a good baby step.