drinksonme

Really!!!! So if they give 200% you'd be willing to fly over your vacation. I am sure you are not the only one that feels this way, but that's letting them off WAY TOO EASY.

How bout NO ONE agrees to giving up their vacation till the company offers ligitimante gains, such as one of, a combination of, or all of the following:

-Min Calender Day pay at 5:15
-No reassignment of RSV pilots at the end of assigned trips unless all RSV's available have been used or could be used......see the next option
-150-200% pay and restored days off to anyone working on a schedule Day Off (Day off language change needs to reflect any scheduled day off, not a 24 or DO the company just puts out there. If you were suppose to be off, then they pay and restore that day)
-Removal of, or massive changes to Recovery Obligation flying
-All DHD's (training, scheduled, rescheduled, reassigned, etc....) are A1 positive space
-Adding the ability to split trips and drop or advertise trips to other pilots
-Last leg swaps
-No DHD to live leg assignments
-Min pay for line holders unless voluntarily trading below....lets start with 76 hours
-RSV min pay 76 regardless of short call or long call
-Protective report time language for short call....no less than 3 hours to report....4 hours to departure 3:30 for DHD
-Improved LTD language
-Industry standard LOS language
-Premium pay (150%) to anything flying over 2 hours beyond scheduled duty day
-200%. Premium pay for any trip covered by a pilot on days off
-150% premium for any pilot who voluntarily picks up legal flying after end of scheduled flying on a duty day
-Removal of "coverage days" during PBS bid
-Removal of Red/Redder trips during trading. Also removed for trips trades that cover the same days of flying. A 4 day for a 4 day, over the same days, should have no restrictions
-24 hour fix to, or call back, on any pay issue.
-No need to check schedule up to 15 mins after block in on last leg for RSV
-Min days off for line holder of 13 or 14 depending on 30-31 day calender day bid month
-No sick note after 14 consecutive days off, only for 14 missed scheduled work days.

That's all just off the top of my head. 200% pay is nothing when you don't look at the tree and see the forest.

LuckyNow

Hey man, if you think we can get all that stuff fixed, I'm more than willing to. I already have my vacations planned and I'm not selling it back anyway. I was just spouting off a number, which cumulatively would cost the company nearly 500 bucks an hour to do. But yeah, I await word from the union.

Cheddar

How about 15 days on for reserve paying 5:10 per day. Let's be on par or better than SWA and the other legacies! SC/LC is bid by seniority maybe? Or keep the pay differentials with a 1 hour penalty per LC - SC conversation and for SC folks, your RAP is your RAP unless you proffer a different time!


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7576FO

I was assigned April vacation. I'm on the 737. I wouldn't give it back for 500%

drinksonme

Get!!!

Seriously this is why LAA are so far behind the times. A lot of the stuff I put on my "short" list are common at regionals, much less our counterparts at UAL, DAL, FEDEX, SWA,UPS, even Spirit and Alligiant. All have WAY better items we are now forced to "negotiate" for. They are basic pattern bargaining items. That's how bad it is, LAA pilots don't even know how far behind they are. None of what I put above are GETS!!!! They are common items in an average mainline contract. So the concern should be; What are we going to give up to get average? None of the items I listed should even be negotiated. We should give up NOTHING to get them. Oh and Profit Sharing also falls in that class. PS should never be a tit for tat item. It's a standard at all airlines.....hells its a standard at many large company's. I pity our group think stupidity.

What will you give up to get something everyone else already has????? Doug and teams wet dream question........with LAA and APA they get to resest pattern bargaining for everyone else. Come
on down to AA contracts....I dont think a lot of our pilots know how bad this contract is, and how long it will take to even become "average". Sad, just sad.

LuckyNow

I like that you're all full of **** and vinegar, but if you think that Doug is going to basically give us everything we want in our 2020 contract over being short on (so far) one fleet over the summer, you're dreaming.

Guys will still pick sh!t up in MU before it even goes premium all summer. If we want to use this as a tipping point, we need concise communication from Carey and guys being called out hard for flying straight time. I wish I could feel like this will yield the results you seek, but I don't see it happening.

Cheddar

I am really blessed to have the job I have. The other day I did a turn and had a grin ear to ear as we were taxiing away from the gate. I couldn't think of a better 'career' besides professional surfing with sabbaticals for cigar smoking and whiskey drinking.

That being said:

I hope every AA pilot understood drinksonme's post. This should be cut and pasted along with the list a few posts above and put into sound-offs to the union, and emails in regards to 'culture change' to Doug/Isom/Kimball. This should be discussed during every trip, it's getting pathetic how many folks have no idea just how far behind we really are.

As the worlds largest airline we are so far behind. In the last crew news, Isom (during his 'trajectory' tangent) acknowledged there's a way to go with a lot of things, including compensation! He's exactly right, but compensation includes QWL items too. There isn't a d*mn thing wrong with having an INDUSTRY LEADING contract for C2020, and we really have nothing left to 'give.'





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mainlineAF

Agreed. w t f do we have to give? I seriously can't think of one thing they could want besides scope, and they always want more.

We literally have ZERO work rules.

7576FO

I'm LAA we get it! I'm on reserve for the last 1.6 years.

I've written this before, how much change can happen in 3 contracts?

LAA 1997 contract. 2003 TA (23.5% pay cut work rules gutted). 2012 BK contract led to the 2013 MTA.

There was no 2000 contract. It was voted down Aug 2001.
There was no 2009 contract. Kick the can.

I've never voted YES for anything. I've only voted NO.


Just a little history.

Cheddar

Completely understand, the past is what it is. Time to get busy not going for 9th in the next contract! I was a probie for the JCBA vote, and I was very conflicted as to how I would have voted. APA's plan for 'let's see what happens in arbitration' wasn't reassuring. History has proven we wouldn't have gained anything with DAL/UAL pay rates. We received the largest pay increases post bankruptcy than any other carrier. LUS E/W gave up some QWL issues, but LAA really had nothing to give. Again, the past is what it is, let's get an industry leader this time!


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