A330FoodCritic

Well he has been called out on this thread and C&R.

For me, on reserve, floating would have netted me more money, while buying another house, but I chose not to float, and figure out the way.

Arado 234

I'll give him a day or two before inviting him back over here...

Arado 234

Anyone listen to the PHL conference two days ago? Thank God some LAA guy tells me that I am working for a big airline now and have to do what he says...

mainlineAF

lol story time..

R57 relay

Stuck in the house so spends most of his time on the computer instead of playing golf, riding a motorcycle, on a boat? My first wife took care of her Mom with cancer, in her home, for almost two years. That took a real toll on her and our marriage.

I have no idea why slice or anyone else floated. I think a safe assumption is that for most guys it was simply ignoring what the union asked for personal greed. But there are some individuals out there with really tough situations and we can't always know which is which. Go to C&R and read the story of the guy that floated because his wife has Huntington's disease. I don't think any of us would tell him to his face that he is a greedy old SOB that needs to retire.

Although though there was a greater % of senior that floated than junior, there was no shortage of junior that floated all the could. Should any of them be singled out? The F/O on my last trip is a great guy. A pleasure to work with and above average pilot. He didn't mention any family issues, but he did float.

Overall it appears that fewer floated, so let's see how it worked out instead of vilifying those that didn't. I have over 25 years of watching guys vilify each other and can tell you it doesn't produce results.

Guys, we need to face the fact that we have a contract. When Carey came out with "This is our year" I pretty much wrote him off. We cannot achieve outside of section 6 what would be a home run inside of it. The APA failed with this merger contract. They failed when they didn't get LUS input and the icing on the cake was the cost neutral arbitration clause. Think about it, how many grievance arbitration do we win? The biggest win we've gotten, profit sharing back, wasn't because of the union, Parker gave it to us because of other pressures!

That doesn't mean that we can't make improvements. I think we need to accept the pay and put all our efforts into correcting the QOL of things over the next few years, then we can put our all efforts into pay in section 6. If we whiz in the wind and get nothing done over before, we will be fighting on all battlegrounds. If we cannot convince the company to get rid of something as idiotic as A3 DH, how can we get anything?

Just my opinion, it's worth what you paid for it. But let's compare notes on 1/1/2018.

Sliceback

Floated. It looks like a Ponzi scheme. Guys with no skin in the game asking others to give forgo up to 12% of their pay. Plan do secret thru couldn't tell the BOD. BOD took five days to agree up support it. They were busy, flying non stop for five days, and too busy to communicate. BOD decision made with no review of the data supporting the 'no float' call. $40,000 decision. Welcome to APA logic

PRS Guitars

How would it cost you $40k? You get paid the same wether you float or not.

A330FoodCritic

You make $300K plus, another $40K shouldn't matter.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

viper548

The guys that float all their vacation and cash out instead of taking it.

mainlineAF

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Knew you'd be selfish about it.

The junior guys need the money much more than you and we overwhelmingly didn't float. You're a joke. I liked it better when you were hiding.

YOU are what's wrong with APA. Hurry up and retire.