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DC8DRIVER 08-19-2018 11:35 PM


Originally Posted by BarryBuchman (Post 2658274)
FAA ATPL
Over 16000 hours
Over 5000 command hours including 2000 on the A319/320.
Over 4000 hours as an FO on the B744

I submit an application and get a response saying I do not meet the minimum FO requirements?

Anyone know why this would be?

Only possible reason I can think of is either my age, 51, or that I don’t currently hold an FAA Class I Medical as I am flying for a foreign carrier on their country’s ATP licence and have that country’s Class I medical.

With those qualifications you can do A LOT better than Atlas!

BarryBuchman 08-20-2018 09:50 AM

To be honest, I only filled in the application in the hope of being able to obtain a phone number or email address to be able to ask somebody in the recruitment section some questions, specifically about how long I could expect to be an FO before upgrading to command. I did not add a resume to the application.

The pay at Atlas is not attractive and I’m already earning over $15,000 a month at my current airline as a Senior First Officer. I did downgrade from being a domestic Captain back to the long range as an FO for lifestyle reasons, among them being my ability to bid for two USA flights every month. I would like to return to the USA within the next three years and that’s why I’m currently looking at all options.

I’m not interested in flying for a passenger airline in the USA and so I’m looking at all cargo airlines and some corporate operators. I would love to fly the B744 again so that’s where my interest in Atlas lies.

BarryBuchman 08-20-2018 11:00 AM

Thanks for the responses. To be honest, I actually filled in the application in the hope that somebody from HR would reply as I wanted to speak to someone about how long I could expect to wait for a command upgrade after joining as an FO. There is no way I could survive on FO pay for more than a couple of years.

Who should I be looking at with my experience and age? I feel my age is a problem (52 next month). I'm looking to fly for a cargo operator or corporate but not a low cost passenger airline. I know I could walk into most of the low cost A320 operators. I would really like to fly the B744 or B748.

I'm currently employed by an international airline flying the A330/A340 as the 4th most senior FO in the airline. I was a Captain on the narrow body A319/320 fleet but opted to downgrade back to FO on the long range fleet, after 3 years of command, for lifestyle reasons. Now I get two USA flights every month and that pretty much fills my roster. I earn over $15,000 a month but taxes are very high in the country where I live and work so I only take home around $10,000 a month including all pension contributions.

My main reason for wanting to move to the USA is that I live in a third world country and want to move my family to the USA where they will be safe and have a decent future. I'm not in a rush but would like to be back in the USA before my 55th birthday.

DC8DRIVER 08-20-2018 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by BarryBuchman (Post 2658538)
Thanks for the responses. To be honest, I actually filled in the application in the hope that somebody from HR would reply as I wanted to speak to someone about how long I could expect to wait for a command upgrade after joining as an FO. There is no way I could survive on FO pay for more than a couple of years.

Who should I be looking at with my experience and age? I feel my age is a problem (52 next month). I'm looking to fly for a cargo operator or corporate but not a low cost passenger airline. I know I could walk into most of the low cost A320 operators. I would really like to fly the B744 or B748.

I'm currently employed by an international airline flying the A330/A340 as the 4th most senior FO in the airline. I was a Captain on the narrow body A319/320 fleet but opted to downgrade back to FO on the long range fleet, after 3 years of command, for lifestyle reasons. Now I get two USA flights every month and that pretty much fills my roster. I earn over $15,000 a month but taxes are very high in the country where I live and work so I only take home around $10,000 a month including all pension contributions.

My main reason for wanting to move to the USA is that I live in a third world country and want to move my family to the USA where they will be safe and have a decent future. I'm not in a rush but would like to be back in the USA before my 55th birthday.

Atlas is hiring people with your qualifications so I would think the problem would be with the medical. Don't sell yourself short, however. UPS has both 744's and 748's and is on a serious hiring binge right now. If you haven't applied there, you should consider doing so. There are many gouges out there regarding the process and from what I know, you meet or exceed all of their requirements.

Elevation 08-20-2018 05:52 PM

If you come here, figure about 5 years to command on the 747 or 3 to command on the 767. Contracts come and go, which affects upgrades a lot.

sandstorm 08-20-2018 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by BarryBuchman (Post 2658538)
There is no way I could survive on FO pay for more than a couple of years.

Keep in mind that CA pay at Atlas is equal to and in many cases less than FO pay at most other airlines. Don't take a job here and say you did not know.

No Land 3 08-21-2018 12:57 AM

Kalitta Air, you'll make 130k your first year as an FO on the 744. If the rumors hold true on the 777, you'd have a fast upgrade.

4runner 08-21-2018 03:13 AM


Originally Posted by BarryBuchman (Post 2658538)
Thanks for the responses. To be honest, I actually filled in the application in the hope that somebody from HR would reply as I wanted to speak to someone about how long I could expect to wait for a command upgrade after joining as an FO. There is no way I could survive on FO pay for more than a couple of years.

Who should I be looking at with my experience and age? I feel my age is a problem (52 next month). I'm looking to fly for a cargo operator or corporate but not a low cost passenger airline. I know I could walk into most of the low cost A320 operators. I would really like to fly the B744 or B748.

I'm currently employed by an international airline flying the A330/A340 as the 4th most senior FO in the airline. I was a Captain on the narrow body A319/320 fleet but opted to downgrade back to FO on the long range fleet, after 3 years of command, for lifestyle reasons. Now I get two USA flights every month and that pretty much fills my roster. I earn over $15,000 a month but taxes are very high in the country where I live and work so I only take home around $10,000 a month including all pension contributions.

My main reason for wanting to move to the USA is that I live in a third world country and want to move my family to the USA where they will be safe and have a decent future. I'm not in a rush but would like to be back in the USA before my 55th birthday.

I was employed by an international airline when I was interviewed by atlas. They were so impressed, they asked if my foreign carrier was capable of answering a PRIA. Because, you know, like, they’re foreign and can’t do stuff like we can. Like answer an email enquiry or have a flight ops that speaks engrish.

maxjet 08-21-2018 03:35 AM


Originally Posted by BarryBuchman (Post 2658274)
FAA ATPL
Over 16000 hours
Over 5000 command hours including 2000 on the A319/320.
Over 4000 hours as an FO on the B744

I submit an application and get a response saying I do not meet the minimum FO requirements?

Anyone know why this would be?

Only possible reason I can think of is either my age, 51, or that I don’t currently hold an FAA Class I Medical as I am flying for a foreign carrier on their country’s ATP licence and have that country’s Class I medical.

We just hired a 62 year old regional jet captain. If you know you can handle a first class medical I would suggest sending a copy of the app, and a letter explaining to the ACP.

JackStraw 08-21-2018 04:19 AM

I suggest you go to another outfit or even a real airline. Kalitta has a nice contract.


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