Hey Dash-7,

I work at Atlas. The answer to your question all depends on what airplane you’re on. On the 747, you can expect 4 months of training pay then about 70-80hrs/month credit. On the 767 you can expect minimum per month or 4 months of training pay and 50hrs credit per month for the first year.

Kalitta negotiated a new contract under Teamsters APA1224, but has since moved to ALPA due to a variety of factors. That’s what you see referenced in previous posts.

While there is no shortage of people offering advice, I’d say that you should plan any professional decision based on minimum guarantee pay rather than what is currently typical.

I have been flying with an FO this month who is in his 3rd month off OE... his first two months he credited 106 and 114 hours for pay.. I know he worked two extra days each month. YMMV

FWIW.... my bid line was a 68 hours guarantee line... when I finish early friday morning I will have 82 hours for pay.

um we have known each other for over 20 years....I'm sorry if I came across in bad way....just trying to answer the guys question
I really wish the best for you guys
theres got to be 40 former dhl guys there if you take into account SA...and at least 10 former K4...all good dudes including you
understand k4 doing well does nothing but help your fight...in the end you will get what you fight for and what you deserve
lord knows you've earned it

Actually, you guys SHOULD brag about your contract. It really IS a much better contract than Atlas has. My post may have sounded snarky, but I meant it to be accurate.

And, yes between SAI and Atlas there are close to 40 of our former co-workers here. Now that the SAI guys have signed the agreement that brings them up to Atlas rates, we can all move forward with the fight without us Atlas folks standing on their shoulders. Long overdue parity (mostly equal, anyway).

In the end you are absolutely correct. ALL of us ACMI workers are in the same war and we need to set our sights on our management overlords and not each other. I hope our new contract is better than anyone else has. And then I hope ABX gets one that is better than ours. That is called the race to the top instead of the race to the bottom and there will never be a better time to win a race to the top than we have right now.

It would be interesting to hear how many hours of pay the K4 767 guys are getting paid. I assume everyone responding on here with the large pay credit hours have been 747 guys.

There will always be stories of the new FO at Atlas who got 100 plus hours his first month. The truth is that once you get out of the school house (2.5 months) OE is backed up 3 months at the moment. I know several FO's right now who have one trip pairing under their belt and have been waiting three months after getting home from Miami training. One who is going back to Miami because landing currency and another who isn't far behind. Means at least another month to get done at the shortest...

So yes, 50 hour guarantee is a reality for many after the 4 initial months. Unless you somehow sneak in and get OE done right after initial training you are in it for the wait.

Agreed,

I came to Atlas thinking I could easily make 85 to 100 hours a month (because I didn't know how our contract worked! No ability to pick up trips outside of scheduling controlled "OT" and no line protection!). I was unpleasantly surprised to find I actually made 50 hour guarantee one month. I really planned my life around being able to make that kind of money.

Realistically, I have credited about 70-75 hours ever since per month with the odd month of 62 hours (sick call, training, etc). Yes I know some making 100-120 hours per month (and have made that myself before), but I also know as many making 62 or even 50 hour guarantee. Unfortunately, you have 0 control over this and are basically reduced to hoping they publish enough high credit schedules for your seniority to hold, and that they don't send you home early to cut your CRT out from under you.

That is the reality of credit here. As a poster above said, plan on min guarantee and you won't be disappointed.

Me neither. Literally every airline that’s hiring was there. Maybe atlas just didn’t have the man power to attend this massive job fair. Emirates must be hurting worse because they came. I met quite a few Emirates, atlas and Qatar pilots.

It's just a question of "Cost:Benefit".

It costs too much to pack up a recruiting team, buy hotels, pay for registration, per diem and finish the whole event with no viable applicants.

WIA
NGPA
and OBAP will be LOSING events until management sits down and signs a new contract.

It's just business.

Thats giving them alot of credit...you really think they are that smart? I know over here they are not.