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07-09-2020, 09:21 PM
#1701
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Originally Posted by propellere
Quick two question for the guys/gals at Atlas. When you are flying 3 pilots (1 CA 2 FO), do you log the whole flight in your logbook or only log 2/3’s time as 1/3 you are out of the seat? Also, The flight time for your monthly guarantee, does the 14hr flight for example count or do they break it down to into 2/3’s time. Thanks for taking the time to answer.
07-10-2020, 01:58 AM
#1702
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Originally Posted by propellere
Quick two question for the guys/gals at Atlas. When you are flying 3 pilots (1 CA 2 FO), do you log the whole flight in your logbook or only log 2/3’s time as 1/3 you are out of the seat? Also, The flight time for your monthly guarantee, does the 14hr flight for example count or do they break it down to into 2/3’s time. Thanks for taking the time to answer.
you will get 62 hours and like it. defer to Post # 1 on this thread
07-10-2020, 03:36 AM
#1703
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Originally Posted by akfrtdwg 57
You’re a required crew member. You log it all as SIC. You get paid for the whole flight as well as you are required to be on the aircraft. Not that it matters though, it’s not to often you break rig or even guarantee for the month for your block to matter at all.
07-10-2020, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Mmm... I thought you can only log SIC under 121 for the actual seat time.
*Second in command means a pilot who is designated to be second in command of an aircraft during flight time.
*Flight time means:
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing;
Pilot time isn't defined in 14 CFR 1.1, but I'd bet FAA legal would argue it doesn't need to be because it's obvious. I'd be pretty wary of putting anything other seat time in my logbook unless there's some legal interpretation that says time spent in the supernumerary seats counts as "pilot time".
Edit: formatting/words
Edit 2: Well actually Part 61 does define pilot time:
Pilot time means that time in which a person -
(i) Serves as a required pilot flight crewmember;
I think the operative word is "pilot" here. Hard to argue you're piloting anything from the bunk.
07-10-2020, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by BrazilBusDriver
My reading of 14 CFR 1.1 would agree with yours:
*Second in command means a pilot who is designated to be second in command of an aircraft during flight time.
*Flight time means:
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing;
Pilot time isn't defined in 14 CFR 1.1, but I'd bet FAA legal would argue it doesn't need to be because it's obvious. I'd be pretty wary of putting anything other seat time in my logbook unless there's some legal interpretation that says time spent in the supernumerary seats counts as "pilot time".
Edit: formatting/words
Edit 2: Well actually Part 61 does define pilot time:
Pilot time means that time in which a person -
(i) Serves as a required pilot flight crewmember;
I think the operative word is "pilot" here. Hard to argue you're piloting anything from the bunk.
*Second in command means a pilot who is designated to be second in command of an aircraft during flight time.
*Flight time means:
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing;
Pilot time isn't defined in 14 CFR 1.1, but I'd bet FAA legal would argue it doesn't need to be because it's obvious. I'd be pretty wary of putting anything other seat time in my logbook unless there's some legal interpretation that says time spent in the supernumerary seats counts as "pilot time".
Edit: formatting/words
Edit 2: Well actually Part 61 does define pilot time:
Pilot time means that time in which a person -
(i) Serves as a required pilot flight crewmember;
I think the operative word is "pilot" here. Hard to argue you're piloting anything from the bunk.
lets not overthink this. You’re a crew member. You will be married to the 747- You will love your 62 like the lady(boys) luv you in Asia.
You will get all the Heavy Intl time you like, as you’re likely never going to upgrade, nor leave this airline for another.
welcome!
07-10-2020, 05:35 AM
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I remember being a young aviator obsessed with flight time. Now, after all these years of flying heavies, that is just a faint memory.
The Queen of the Skies is a gracious girl. Once bitten by her charm, a man never forgets. She's a gal you're always proud to be seen with. But our masters know this and use her magnetism to our detriment. We will sell our souls for just one more kiss. But I have no regrets as this is a unique experience that few will attain. But all things come at a cost. Just be sure you are willing to pay...
The Queen of the Skies is a gracious girl. Once bitten by her charm, a man never forgets. She's a gal you're always proud to be seen with. But our masters know this and use her magnetism to our detriment. We will sell our souls for just one more kiss. But I have no regrets as this is a unique experience that few will attain. But all things come at a cost. Just be sure you are willing to pay...
07-10-2020, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by BrazilBusDriver
My reading of 14 CFR 1.1 would agree with yours:
*Second in command means a pilot who is designated to be second in command of an aircraft during flight time.
*Flight time means:
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing;
Pilot time isn't defined in 14 CFR 1.1, but I'd bet FAA legal would argue it doesn't need to be because it's obvious. I'd be pretty wary of putting anything other seat time in my logbook unless there's some legal interpretation that says time spent in the supernumerary seats counts as "pilot time".
Edit: formatting/words
Edit 2: Well actually Part 61 does define pilot time:
Pilot time means that time in which a person -
(i) Serves as a required pilot flight crewmember;
I think the operative word is "pilot" here. Hard to argue you're piloting anything from the bunk.
*Second in command means a pilot who is designated to be second in command of an aircraft during flight time.
*Flight time means:
(1) Pilot time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing;
Pilot time isn't defined in 14 CFR 1.1, but I'd bet FAA legal would argue it doesn't need to be because it's obvious. I'd be pretty wary of putting anything other seat time in my logbook unless there's some legal interpretation that says time spent in the supernumerary seats counts as "pilot time".
Edit: formatting/words
Edit 2: Well actually Part 61 does define pilot time:
Pilot time means that time in which a person -
(i) Serves as a required pilot flight crewmember;
I think the operative word is "pilot" here. Hard to argue you're piloting anything from the bunk.
07-10-2020, 06:53 AM
#1708
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Originally Posted by boeingdvr
lets not overthink this. You’re a crew member. You will be married to the 747- You will love your 62 like the lady(boys) luv you in Asia.
You will get all the Heavy Intl time you like, as you’re likely never going to upgrade, nor leave this airline for another.
welcome!
You will get all the Heavy Intl time you like, as you’re likely never going to upgrade, nor leave this airline for another.
welcome!
07-10-2020, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by propellere
This specific discussion has importance to me because I’m missing a critical amount of hours on the resume from flying 3-4 pilot ops. Should I log the entire flight duration at Total time or 2/3 (3 pilot) and 1/2 (4 pilot)?
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07-10-2020, 09:42 AM
#1710
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Originally Posted by propellere
This specific discussion has importance to me because I’m missing a critical amount of hours on the resume from flying 3-4 pilot ops. Should I log the entire flight duration at Total time or 2/3 (3 pilot) and 1/2 (4 pilot)?
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