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Old 09-28-2020, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by blinkpilot182 View Post
Great questions.

1. I understand we do have a handful of “new-to-us” 74’s coming on the line. If that’s true then there’s some growth. Also logic stands to reason we will at least grow the 777 fleet. Atlas has seemed to want a solid triple program for a while. That’s speculation, but it’s pretty good speculation.

2. Fences are a hot topic here right now. The short answer is no one knows. The long answer is, pre-acquisition CA’s at Atlas have junior CA’s to them at Southern on both of Southerns fleets. So I’m not sure what there is to fence. If anything fence the 74 which some pilots at Atlas hired pre-acquisition still can’t hold as CA’s. I don’t mean any disrespect to my Southern brothers and sisters. I’m just trying to call my putt, and I suck at golf.

I know your question is about the 737 but I referenced the most senior airplanes. Also, I can’t imagine a lot of heavy pilots willingly going to a narrow body unless they live in base. I’m not trying to put down the 737, it’s a fantastic jet. I’m just speaking to company culture. We love our big planes at Atlas.

Again, no disrespect to any pilot group.

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Is Atlas currently receiving more 737-800s? Not necessarily a new contract but an older contract for which metal had not been received.
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Old 09-28-2020, 01:15 PM
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[QUOTE=blinkpilot182;3137070]Great questions.
2. Fences...]

It’s been previously announced that the tentative agreement that was hammered out is date of hire & no fences.
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Old 09-28-2020, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Whalehunter View Post
Gotta make up for pre Covid.
The Union said a while back that they estimated the company pilot staffing was approximately 250 pilots short prior to Covid19 (back around the beginning of the year). So at some point (with all the hiring & the lack of ppl leaving currently and not stopping in the 4th qtr) they will (or more likely have already) passed the break even on that and are adding numbers to the ranks. The rumor that they are aiming for somewhere around 3000 pilots (or higher) by the end of 2021 is fairly prevalent everywhere you go. So if these clues hold true - logic would indicate there must be some something bigger driving it - above and beyond a few sporadic airframe additions here & there. But who knows, they always seem to play their cards close to their vest & we usually just read about it when they publish the press releases.
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Old 09-28-2020, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by blinkpilot182 View Post
Great questions.
2. Fences...]

It’s been previously announced that the tentative agreement that was hammered out is date of hire & no fences.

You’re absolutely right. I guess I’m just holding out to see the final product.


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Old 09-28-2020, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by paulhood View Post
Is Atlas currently receiving more 737-800s? Not necessarily a new contract but an older contract for which metal had not been received.

No idea what’s going on with 737 growth. I’m on the 5Y side. Growth is always good though! Hope it happens.


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Old 09-29-2020, 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiteRabbit99 View Post
Great update. As one of the guys swimming in that pool, I allow myself to ask two questions to our educated audience:

1. As I understand, Atlas is not buying new airplanes nor having a lot of retirees or pilots leaving to other places. So, what is the explanation of having so many new classes?

2. One of the options they gave me was going on the 737 and then upgrade at 1,000 hours. Question: With the integration of Southern/Atlas, will that "quick upgrade" somehow be protected/fenced, or is it possible that the senorities merge and suddenly there are many "Atlas guys" eligible for the 737 transition with upgrade, pushing Southern 737 FOs way back?

Any feedback is highly appreciated : )
So far as I understand, the integration will soon be completed on a DOH basis with no fences. So, a “quick” upgrade on any fleet type is highly unlikely. The crew members at Southern who got the 12 month upgrades recently are going to be very junior captains for a very long time.
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Old 09-29-2020, 05:58 AM
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So far as I understand, the integration will soon be completed on a DOH basis with no fences. So, a “quick” upgrade on any fleet type is highly unlikely. The crew members at Southern who got the 12 month upgrades recently are going to be very junior captains for a very long time.
After all the feedback, it definitly looks that way. But being in the process of joining Atlas as an FO, it then seems that be.ing an FO on the 737 also means that one will be on the right seat of that aircraft for a very long time. That "quick 1,000 hr upgrade" looks more and more like a lost dream, doesn't it?
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Old 09-29-2020, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiteRabbit99 View Post
After all the feedback, it definitly looks that way. But being in the process of joining Atlas as an FO, it then seems that be.ing an FO on the 737 also means that one will be on the right seat of that aircraft for a very long time. That "quick 1,000 hr upgrade" looks more and more like a lost dream, doesn't it?
The promise of a quick upgrade has been a recruiting tactic here for ages. When I was hired, I was told that I'd be in the left seat of the 767 is 2 years. It didn't happen. Never take anything that the recruiters say at face value. Plan on making guarantee, plan on being in the right seat for the foreseeable future. I'm not saying that that is what will happen, but you'll be better off budgeting that way.

All that being said, I personally believe that things are going to get better here. I'm not planning on leaving, in any case. Welcome aboard.
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiteRabbit99 View Post
After all the feedback, it definitly looks that way. But being in the process of joining Atlas as an FO, it then seems that be.ing an FO on the 737 also means that one will be on the right seat of that aircraft for a very long time. That "quick 1,000 hr upgrade" looks more and more like a lost dream, doesn't it?
Which is why I hope to get a slot in a WB class.
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by blinkpilot182 View Post
Great questions.
2. Fences...]

It’s been previously announced that the tentative agreement that was hammered out is date of hire & no fences.
that’s right. Upgrade just went Uber senior. Lots of 767 pilots wanting the left seat in the 73
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