Atlas / Southern
#2261
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2019
Position: CRJ-700 CA
Posts: 171
Great questions.
1. I understand we do have a handful of “new-to-us” 74’s coming on the line. If that’s true then there’s some growth. Also logic stands to reason we will at least grow the 777 fleet. Atlas has seemed to want a solid triple program for a while. That’s speculation, but it’s pretty good speculation.
2. Fences are a hot topic here right now. The short answer is no one knows. The long answer is, pre-acquisition CA’s at Atlas have junior CA’s to them at Southern on both of Southerns fleets. So I’m not sure what there is to fence. If anything fence the 74 which some pilots at Atlas hired pre-acquisition still can’t hold as CA’s. I don’t mean any disrespect to my Southern brothers and sisters. I’m just trying to call my putt, and I suck at golf.
I know your question is about the 737 but I referenced the most senior airplanes. Also, I can’t imagine a lot of heavy pilots willingly going to a narrow body unless they live in base. I’m not trying to put down the 737, it’s a fantastic jet. I’m just speaking to company culture. We love our big planes at Atlas.
Again, no disrespect to any pilot group.
Cheers,
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1. I understand we do have a handful of “new-to-us” 74’s coming on the line. If that’s true then there’s some growth. Also logic stands to reason we will at least grow the 777 fleet. Atlas has seemed to want a solid triple program for a while. That’s speculation, but it’s pretty good speculation.
2. Fences are a hot topic here right now. The short answer is no one knows. The long answer is, pre-acquisition CA’s at Atlas have junior CA’s to them at Southern on both of Southerns fleets. So I’m not sure what there is to fence. If anything fence the 74 which some pilots at Atlas hired pre-acquisition still can’t hold as CA’s. I don’t mean any disrespect to my Southern brothers and sisters. I’m just trying to call my putt, and I suck at golf.
I know your question is about the 737 but I referenced the most senior airplanes. Also, I can’t imagine a lot of heavy pilots willingly going to a narrow body unless they live in base. I’m not trying to put down the 737, it’s a fantastic jet. I’m just speaking to company culture. We love our big planes at Atlas.
Again, no disrespect to any pilot group.
Cheers,
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#2263
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2012
Posts: 97
The Union said a while back that they estimated the company pilot staffing was approximately 250 pilots short prior to Covid19 (back around the beginning of the year). So at some point (with all the hiring & the lack of ppl leaving currently and not stopping in the 4th qtr) they will (or more likely have already) passed the break even on that and are adding numbers to the ranks. The rumor that they are aiming for somewhere around 3000 pilots (or higher) by the end of 2021 is fairly prevalent everywhere you go. So if these clues hold true - logic would indicate there must be some something bigger driving it - above and beyond a few sporadic airframe additions here & there. But who knows, they always seem to play their cards close to their vest & we usually just read about it when they publish the press releases.
#2264
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You’re absolutely right. I guess I’m just holding out to see the final product.
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You’re absolutely right. I guess I’m just holding out to see the final product.
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#2265
No idea what’s going on with 737 growth. I’m on the 5Y side. Growth is always good though! Hope it happens.
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#2266
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 666
Great update. As one of the guys swimming in that pool, I allow myself to ask two questions to our educated audience:
1. As I understand, Atlas is not buying new airplanes nor having a lot of retirees or pilots leaving to other places. So, what is the explanation of having so many new classes?
2. One of the options they gave me was going on the 737 and then upgrade at 1,000 hours. Question: With the integration of Southern/Atlas, will that "quick upgrade" somehow be protected/fenced, or is it possible that the senorities merge and suddenly there are many "Atlas guys" eligible for the 737 transition with upgrade, pushing Southern 737 FOs way back?
Any feedback is highly appreciated : )
1. As I understand, Atlas is not buying new airplanes nor having a lot of retirees or pilots leaving to other places. So, what is the explanation of having so many new classes?
2. One of the options they gave me was going on the 737 and then upgrade at 1,000 hours. Question: With the integration of Southern/Atlas, will that "quick upgrade" somehow be protected/fenced, or is it possible that the senorities merge and suddenly there are many "Atlas guys" eligible for the 737 transition with upgrade, pushing Southern 737 FOs way back?
Any feedback is highly appreciated : )
#2267
New Hire
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 5
So far as I understand, the integration will soon be completed on a DOH basis with no fences. So, a “quick” upgrade on any fleet type is highly unlikely. The crew members at Southern who got the 12 month upgrades recently are going to be very junior captains for a very long time.
#2268
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 666
After all the feedback, it definitly looks that way. But being in the process of joining Atlas as an FO, it then seems that be.ing an FO on the 737 also means that one will be on the right seat of that aircraft for a very long time. That "quick 1,000 hr upgrade" looks more and more like a lost dream, doesn't it?
All that being said, I personally believe that things are going to get better here. I'm not planning on leaving, in any case. Welcome aboard.
#2269
After all the feedback, it definitly looks that way. But being in the process of joining Atlas as an FO, it then seems that be.ing an FO on the 737 also means that one will be on the right seat of that aircraft for a very long time. That "quick 1,000 hr upgrade" looks more and more like a lost dream, doesn't it?
#2270
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
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