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sandman22 09-13-2019 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Turbine1 (Post 2886748)
It’s the first shot across the bow of the AAWH pilot group. Keep resisting another non ratified 60% below industry standard CBA and kiss your jobs goodbye. Interesting this comes two days after Teamsters 1224 filed in district court to vacate the arbitration award. So now the flying will go to ATI the next lowest paid and only non Teamsters airline in the ATSG/AAWH stable. The whipsaw has begun, and it’s about to get real ugly. I expect furloughs next year to ratchet up the pressure some more. Who will blink first, AAWH mgt or Teamsters? Time will tell.

If management thinks we care or are rattled by this then they're even dumber than we originally thought

wjcandee 09-13-2019 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by sandman22 (Post 2886761)
If management thinks we care or are rattled by this then they're even dumber than we originally thought

Candidly, I don't personally think that that's what's going on, perhaps because this would be an uber-stupid strategy, even from these guys. I think it's more Amazon putting pressure on management to keep its commitments than it is management doing anything. As fiduciaries to their shareholders, management would have had to have tried to resist the transfers. Whether it's Amazon being dissatisfied with the current performance or Atlas not being able to increase the tempo of operations to the level that Amazon wants due to insufficient pilot pool, I believe that this is an Amazon-Atlas thing, not a management-pilot thing, per se (although the issues are intertwined, of course). It's a fair possibility that the purpose of the transfer is to spread the available pilots across fewer aircraft, and thereby permit an increased tempo per-aircraft.

I think that management has dealt with 1224's scorched-earth negotiating strategy so ineffectively, and the relationship has become so poisoned, that some folks are expecting zebras rather than horses when they hear hooves.

Positional bargaining is not ever going to resolve the pilot labor issues. Somebody in management ought to go take a "getting to yes" course.

Jurassic Jet 09-13-2019 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Turbine1 (Post 2886748)
The whipsaw has begun, and it’s about to get real ugly.


Just wait until Mesa comes into the mix. :eek:

742Dash 09-13-2019 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by Turbine1 (Post 2886748)
It’s the first shot across the bow of the AAWH pilot group. Keep resisting another non ratified 60% below industry standard CBA and kiss your jobs goodbye. Interesting this comes two days after Teamsters 1224 filed in district court to vacate the arbitration award. So now the flying will go to ATI the next lowest paid and only non Teamsters airline in the ATSG/AAWH stable. The whipsaw has begun, and it’s about to get real ugly. I expect furloughs next year to ratchet up the pressure some more. Who will blink first, AAWH mgt or Teamsters? Time will tell.

You are over thinking this.

Atlas is a contractor. And in this case a contractor doing a ****ty job, so the work goes someplace else. That is all. There is no reason to be imagining conspiracies and dark plans.

ROBsINtheHOOD 09-13-2019 02:04 PM

Atlas pilots will themselves know the reasons for Amazon’s reassignment of a/c - poor on time performance , poor sector completion rate , standby a/c and crew availability, etc - it’s not rocket science. If Atlas is unable to satisfy the needs of the customer.... well business is business. It’s too bad management aren’t held accountable and penalized for allowing this to happen. The race to the bottom continues.

crewman 09-13-2019 02:38 PM

One would assume that management actually cares about the future of the airline, my opinion is they don’t want an airline and want to be a aircraft leasing company only.

boeingdvr 09-13-2019 02:55 PM

Yeah.

Well- our 767 Upgrade just shot up another 5 years.

But hey, if you don’t believe me come see for yourself.

CardboardCutout 09-13-2019 03:11 PM

This thread is a good reminder that young people are little know it all punks who have to learn life's lessons the hard way. :D

akpilotguy 09-14-2019 12:04 AM


Originally Posted by CardboardCutout (Post 2886913)
This thread is a good reminder that young people are little know it all punks who have to learn life's lessons the hard way. :D

r/boomerhumor

nitefr8dog 09-15-2019 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by CardboardCutout (Post 2885696)
ATSG sends so much as a kite to ABX and people around here are going to lose their minds.

Just increased our Amazon flying by 30% along with 4 UPS flights all started in Sep....does that count for anything?


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