New Atlas CBA = Colossal Union Failure
09-15-2021, 03:22 PM
#131
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Similar trend on the pax side. Management wants higher pay for noobs to ease their recruiting challenges. After you have a few years seniority, they figure you're staying anyway so they seek to minimize raises after that.
That’s ironic for a “labor” union that claims unity and looking out for the labor force.
You didn’t.
09-15-2021, 06:53 PM
#132
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Originally Posted by JT8D
Well, when his counterpart was the lazy dip$ ht Ed Gleason, there wasn’t much challenge. What a fkking joke that clown was.
Which leads back to the original point of this thread: the union was dietrich’s doormat and good ol’ Bobb Henderson was pretty much right all along.
No he’s not. He’s just the only one who wanted to execute the merger clause of the cba AS IT WAS WRITTEN. Those with your mindset wanted to act like they were exempt from contractual language, and now you’re all “wow dietrich’s good at this” and surprised that you’ve lost.
Pretty fkkin dumb.
Which leads back to the original point of this thread: the union was dietrich’s doormat and good ol’ Bobb Henderson was pretty much right all along.
No he’s not. He’s just the only one who wanted to execute the merger clause of the cba AS IT WAS WRITTEN. Those with your mindset wanted to act like they were exempt from contractual language, and now you’re all “wow dietrich’s good at this” and surprised that you’ve lost.
Pretty fkkin dumb.
Whatever dude. That clown failed at leading a long time ago and has been nothing but disrespectful to everybody that came after his failure. He’s a DBag to fly with too. He literally spouted off about BK an average of once every couple minutes.
He’s behind APU..and I assume you’re one of his clown followers.
09-15-2021, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by HPIC
So…you’re either a Bobb Boy or you are Bobb himself…
Whatever dude. That clown failed at leading a long time ago and has been nothing but disrespectful to everybody that came after his failure. He’s a DBag to fly with too. He literally spouted off about BK an average of once every couple minutes.
He’s behind APU..and I assume you’re one of his clown followers.
Whatever dude. That clown failed at leading a long time ago and has been nothing but disrespectful to everybody that came after his failure. He’s a DBag to fly with too. He literally spouted off about BK an average of once every couple minutes.
He’s behind APU..and I assume you’re one of his clown followers.
The only times my path has merged with “APU” was while overflying Anbu near Taipei. But go ahead and ASSume away, moron. And if you think that ol’ easy-going Island man Bobb was a Dbag, you need to take off your fkkin diaper and grow the hell up.
09-15-2021, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JT8D
LMFAO
The only times my path has merged with “APU” was while overflying Anbu near Taipei. But go ahead and ASSume away, moron. And if you think that ol’ easy-going Island man Bobb was a Dbag, you need to take off your fkkin diaper and grow the hell up.
The only times my path has merged with “APU” was while overflying Anbu near Taipei. But go ahead and ASSume away, moron. And if you think that ol’ easy-going Island man Bobb was a Dbag, you need to take off your fkkin diaper and grow the hell up.
I’m pretty sure you’re a supporter of APU…or Clean Slate…basically the same thing.
09-15-2021, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by HPIC
I’m pretty sure you’re a supporter of APU…or Clean Slate…basically the same thing.
Try again, snowflake
09-16-2021, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Elevation
Thanks for this. FWIW I agree with your assessment here, but I am legally dumb. The question in my mind, and one I think we should ask isn't "What does the law, contract, etc. say?".
What's actually going to happen to our people in the field?. I'm asking "Can the company apply this the way they want to?". "Can a new organization without funding convince a judge of our interpretation here?". Although I am dumb, I have experienced litigation. I was amazed at how pliable law and enforcement really is. It worked out, but it let me appreciate my naivitee.
Litigation eventually comes to the mind of a judge. Judges are human and can be bent to read and enforce law in ways that are questionable or surprising. In theory and movies litigation occurs in a courtroom with arguments. Judges, in fact, are influenced in many, many ways.
I really think consulting with a tested, non-partisan expert (a litigator, specifically) who knows how to fight on this terrain would be a very wise investment. It's easy to start down a path, but it's hard to see what the end actually looks like.
What's actually going to happen to our people in the field?. I'm asking "Can the company apply this the way they want to?". "Can a new organization without funding convince a judge of our interpretation here?". Although I am dumb, I have experienced litigation. I was amazed at how pliable law and enforcement really is. It worked out, but it let me appreciate my naivitee.
Litigation eventually comes to the mind of a judge. Judges are human and can be bent to read and enforce law in ways that are questionable or surprising. In theory and movies litigation occurs in a courtroom with arguments. Judges, in fact, are influenced in many, many ways.
I really think consulting with a tested, non-partisan expert (a litigator, specifically) who knows how to fight on this terrain would be a very wise investment. It's easy to start down a path, but it's hard to see what the end actually looks like.
First, we get this CBA implemented. THEN we worry about the next one. I mean, this one literally hasn't even been signed.
09-16-2021, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by zerozero
My advice: one bridge at a time. You're getting "paralysis by analysis". Playing with too many "what ifs..."
First, we get this CBA implemented. THEN we worry about the next one. I mean, this one literally hasn't even been signed.
First, we get this CBA implemented. THEN we worry about the next one. I mean, this one literally hasn't even been signed.
09-17-2021, 03:33 AM
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Besides pay, can someone tell me what the union was actually asking for in the new contract that you didn't get? I keep hearing that the company got everything it asked for but the union got nothing.
So what exactly did you want?
So what exactly did you want?
09-17-2021, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilotchute
Besides pay, can someone tell me what the union was actually asking for in the new contract that you didn't get? I keep hearing that the company got everything it asked for but the union got nothing.
So what exactly did you want?
So what exactly did you want?
09-17-2021, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilotchute
Besides pay, can someone tell me what the union was actually asking for in the new contract that you didn't get? I keep hearing that the company got everything it asked for but the union got nothing.
So what exactly did you want?
So what exactly did you want?
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