New Atlas CBA = Colossal Union Failure
09-17-2021, 07:57 PM
#151
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Originally Posted by unablerequest
I wasn't able to post a new thread, so I'll piggyback off this one and hope for the best.
121 regional FO on reserve, never flying. I'm in a base and on an aircraft that never flies. Luck of the draw. I'm debating about jumping ship to Atlas to get a heavy type and stack flight hours just to leave to other majors upon being called.
Collective thoughts? How bad is this CBA for someone who wants in and then out promptly?
121 regional FO on reserve, never flying. I'm in a base and on an aircraft that never flies. Luck of the draw. I'm debating about jumping ship to Atlas to get a heavy type and stack flight hours just to leave to other majors upon being called.
Collective thoughts? How bad is this CBA for someone who wants in and then out promptly?
09-17-2021, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
Union proposal wasn’t consistent with raises, it was top heavy.
Explain your thoughts on this.
From what I’ve seen…the arbitrator took $30/hr from the top of the union proposed pay scale and put it at the bottom. Sure…that may attract new hires…but it also increases the number of people making $30/hr more(there are way more people at the lower end of the pay scale than top end). As of the latest seniority list, the pilot at 50% of the seniority list was hired March 2017.
How were the union pay rates top heavy?
The biggest thing you fail to see from the union proposal are work rules and other benefits…such as LTD and retirement.
09-17-2021, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by HPIC
Explain your thoughts on this.
From what I’ve seen…the arbitrator took $30/hr from the top of the union proposed pay scale and put it at the bottom. Sure…that may attract new hires…but it also increases the number of people making $30/hr more(there are way more people at the lower end of the pay scale than top end). As of the latest seniority list, the pilot at 50% of the seniority list was hired March 2017.
How were the union pay rates top heavy?
The biggest thing you fail to see from the union proposal are work rules and other benefits…such as LTD and retirement.
From what I’ve seen…the arbitrator took $30/hr from the top of the union proposed pay scale and put it at the bottom. Sure…that may attract new hires…but it also increases the number of people making $30/hr more(there are way more people at the lower end of the pay scale than top end). As of the latest seniority list, the pilot at 50% of the seniority list was hired March 2017.
How were the union pay rates top heavy?
The biggest thing you fail to see from the union proposal are work rules and other benefits…such as LTD and retirement.
09-18-2021, 04:41 AM
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the arbitrator took $30/hr from the top of the union proposed pay scale and put it at the bottom.
Its straight from Kalitta payscales.
What I suggested earlier was that it was ironic how it took $30 off the top and awarded it to the lowest income group compared to the Union proposal that was intended to stifle hiring by keeping first year low.
09-18-2021, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilotchute
Besides pay, can someone tell me what the union was actually asking for in the new contract that you didn't get? I keep hearing that the company got everything it asked for but the union got nothing.
So what exactly did you want?
So what exactly did you want?
09-18-2021, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by unablerequest
I wasn't able to post a new thread, so I'll piggyback off this one and hope for the best.
121 regional FO on reserve, never flying. I'm in a base and on an aircraft that never flies. Luck of the draw. I'm debating about jumping ship to Atlas to get a heavy type and stack flight hours just to leave to other majors upon being called.
Collective thoughts? How bad is this CBA for someone who wants in and then out promptly?
121 regional FO on reserve, never flying. I'm in a base and on an aircraft that never flies. Luck of the draw. I'm debating about jumping ship to Atlas to get a heavy type and stack flight hours just to leave to other majors upon being called.
Collective thoughts? How bad is this CBA for someone who wants in and then out promptly?
09-18-2021, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilotchute
Can someone explain what scope refers to at Atlas? I know what it means for legacies and their regional partners. What 'scope' improvement was being asked for in contract negotiations?
09-18-2021, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by unablerequest
I wasn't able to post a new thread, so I'll piggyback off this one and hope for the best.
121 regional FO on reserve, never flying. I'm in a base and on an aircraft that never flies. Luck of the draw. I'm debating about jumping ship to Atlas to get a heavy type and stack flight hours just to leave to other majors upon being called.
Collective thoughts? How bad is this CBA for someone who wants in and then out promptly?
121 regional FO on reserve, never flying. I'm in a base and on an aircraft that never flies. Luck of the draw. I'm debating about jumping ship to Atlas to get a heavy type and stack flight hours just to leave to other majors upon being called.
Collective thoughts? How bad is this CBA for someone who wants in and then out promptly?
I'm not saying you shouldn't come here, but don't set all your hopes on fast movement.
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