New contract in the works?
08-10-2022, 04:35 AM
#221
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Originally Posted by C17B74
Excellent, where is your next stop and final destination to hang your hat hopefully. May it work out great for you!
I will say. My wife and I had were talking about my summer on our way back from AMS. She joked and said, you have had pretty much the entire summer off. Lol.
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08-10-2022, 06:28 AM
#222
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Originally Posted by Elevation
Once you have a job and other connections you can start the process to become a resident or citizenship. A work visa doesn't stop someone from pursuing citizenship while they're working. So a good number of people who come over on temporary work visas stay through entirely legitimate processes. A lot of us here have done some amount of expat work, and Dera accurately said it's about opportunity. That's why Americans are all over Middle Eastern and Asian carriers during hard times.
The problem is the way we're applying law and the way we hire. It's not pilots. It's not even management or our company. They're doing what they can to get the lowest specific labor cost to freight-ton-kilometer or seat-mile. TBNTs are still going to qualified, American pilots without multiple problems. This goes beyond Atlas to the industry as a whole. As long as there are qualified, American pilots getting TBNTs, there isn't a good reason to adjust standards, change retirement age, expand laws, etc. Market forces.
The problem is the way we're applying law and the way we hire. It's not pilots. It's not even management or our company. They're doing what they can to get the lowest specific labor cost to freight-ton-kilometer or seat-mile. TBNTs are still going to qualified, American pilots without multiple problems. This goes beyond Atlas to the industry as a whole. As long as there are qualified, American pilots getting TBNTs, there isn't a good reason to adjust standards, change retirement age, expand laws, etc. Market forces.
I just have to add a side comment so forgive me for getting off track. I have great memories at Polar and some of my best friends are still there so of course I would be interested in the Atlas story. There have been a lot of comments concerning lack of sims, shortage of pilots, and much other information. Well, you can toss it all out. D
o you think the lack of sims may be because Atlas management knew this was coming. As a refugee from the Ichan TWA days most of the comments are no longer relevant. Apollo runs the show now and if my experience is any guide I would be worried about the dreaded furlough. It may not be tomorrow but it will. Apollo has taken Atlas private and is answerable to no one. One great flaw in unions is they tend to think in the short term usually 5 or 6 years where the companies thinks in 30 year terms. That is why the company always win even though the pilot think they won.
Back to the subject. Welcome the Aussies with open arms. They are embarking on a great adventure. I know, I was one of them many years ago.
08-10-2022, 06:57 AM
#223
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Originally Posted by 3pointlanding
Do you think the lack of sims may be because Atlas management knew this was coming. As a refugee from the Ichan TWA days most of the comments are no longer relevant. Apollo runs the show now and if my experience is any guide I would be worried about the dreaded furlough. It may not be tomorrow but it will. Apollo has taken Atlas private and is answerable to no one. One great flaw in unions is they tend to think in the short term usually 5 or 6 years where the companies thinks in 30 year terms. That is why the company always win even though the pilot think they won.
Your first point, on the reluctance of the company to reinvest in itself (while spending literally hundreds of millions on stock buybacks) is a good one. But that's nothing new. That's just business as usual. But let's not kid ourselves about the executives being held accountable to either the BoD or shareholders. They ran this company with reckless abandon for six years, pi$$ing off customers and shareholders alike. One investor (Howie) practically begged the CEO (Bill Flynn) to reach a deal with the pilots because the share price had crashed and they didn't even pay dividends. Flynn's response: "I'm a shareholder too".
Ha.
Your last point is the most unfortunate inaccuracy. The union is quite literally looking many years down the road realizing every single miscalculation now will affect the next round of (fake) negotiations in 2026, JUST LIKE every single miscalculation between 2004-2011 affected our negotiations 2016-2021.
The company on the other hand, like a lot of other corporations, treads water, quarter to quarter, back slapping each other for their lucky victories or blaming everyone else but themselves for their missed metrics.
The reason why the company always wins (I'll give you that one) is not because the union isn't forward thinking enough. It's because the court system has become of mafia of prejudiced judges and arbitrators. Labor law is painfully weak in this country. And politically, most union members don't vote with their wallets, they vote in accordance with their TVs.
It's always very easy to blame the victim. I always try to refocus our frustrations on the true sources.
Last point, re: expats coming to Atlas vs. American labor law. I flew with a Canadian who told me, "I had no idea it worked like this. If this was Canada we'd be on strike. If I knew this, I would have never come here."
08-10-2022, 07:34 AM
#224
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Originally Posted by zerozero
I'll respectfully disagree with this part.
Your first point, on the reluctance of the company to reinvest in itself (while spending literally hundreds of millions on stock buybacks) is a good one. But that's nothing new. That's just business as usual. But let's not kid ourselves about the executives being held accountable to either the BoD or shareholders. They ran this company with reckless abandon for six years, pi$$ing off customers and shareholders alike. One investor (Howie) practically begged the CEO (Bill Flynn) to reach a deal with the pilots because the share price had crashed and they didn't even pay dividends. Flynn's response: "I'm a shareholder too".
Ha.
Your last point is the most unfortunate inaccuracy. The union is quite literally looking many years down the road realizing every single miscalculation now will affect the next round of (fake) negotiations in 2026, JUST LIKE every single miscalculation between 2004-2011 affected our negotiations 2016-2021.
The company on the other hand, like a lot of other corporations, treads water, quarter to quarter, back slapping each other for their lucky victories or blaming everyone else but themselves for their missed metrics.
The reason why the company always wins (I'll give you that one) is not because the union isn't forward thinking enough. It's because the court system has become of mafia of prejudiced judges and arbitrators. Labor law is painfully weak in this country. And politically, most union members don't vote with their wallets, they vote in accordance with their TVs.
It's always very easy to blame the victim. I always try to refocus our frustrations on the true sources.
Last point, re: expats coming to Atlas vs. American labor law. I flew with a Canadian who told me, "I had no idea it worked like this. If this was Canada we'd be on strike. If I knew this, I would have never come here."
Your first point, on the reluctance of the company to reinvest in itself (while spending literally hundreds of millions on stock buybacks) is a good one. But that's nothing new. That's just business as usual. But let's not kid ourselves about the executives being held accountable to either the BoD or shareholders. They ran this company with reckless abandon for six years, pi$$ing off customers and shareholders alike. One investor (Howie) practically begged the CEO (Bill Flynn) to reach a deal with the pilots because the share price had crashed and they didn't even pay dividends. Flynn's response: "I'm a shareholder too".
Ha.
Your last point is the most unfortunate inaccuracy. The union is quite literally looking many years down the road realizing every single miscalculation now will affect the next round of (fake) negotiations in 2026, JUST LIKE every single miscalculation between 2004-2011 affected our negotiations 2016-2021.
The company on the other hand, like a lot of other corporations, treads water, quarter to quarter, back slapping each other for their lucky victories or blaming everyone else but themselves for their missed metrics.
The reason why the company always wins (I'll give you that one) is not because the union isn't forward thinking enough. It's because the court system has become of mafia of prejudiced judges and arbitrators. Labor law is painfully weak in this country. And politically, most union members don't vote with their wallets, they vote in accordance with their TVs.
It's always very easy to blame the victim. I always try to refocus our frustrations on the true sources.
Last point, re: expats coming to Atlas vs. American labor law. I flew with a Canadian who told me, "I had no idea it worked like this. If this was Canada we'd be on strike. If I knew this, I would have never come here."
For example: Iceland has THE BEST Health Care System. Finland has THE BEST Educational System. The Scandinavian countries have MUCH LESS corruption than we do. Our Labor Laws are terrible...they used to be VERY GOOD (the 1950s, when labor had their highest share of the pie, ever). There is no reason, that we, America, cannot be in the Top Tier of everything, year after year. If we don't even know what the Top Tier is, we won't even try to get there.
08-10-2022, 08:28 AM
#225
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Originally Posted by 3pointlanding
As a 30 year expat I can honestly say it is about opportunity and most enjoyed it especially the families. I took my girls on every long layover I could and on my days off. How many parents can say their kids have seen the Taj or the Red Fort in Agra, or climbed the Eiffel Tower, traveled the rivers of Europe. rode camels with the Bedouins in Saudi Arabia, or speak more languages than you can. And as for coming to the U.S, oh yeah, that''s the ticket and if an Aussie can make it more power to them. Our country is a great ride and enjoy it if you can.
I just have to add a side comment so forgive me for getting off track. I have great memories at Polar and some of my best friends are still there so of course I would be interested in the Atlas story. There have been a lot of comments concerning lack of sims, shortage of pilots, and much other information. Well, you can toss it all out. D
o you think the lack of sims may be because Atlas management knew this was coming. As a refugee from the Ichan TWA days most of the comments are no longer relevant. Apollo runs the show now and if my experience is any guide I would be worried about the dreaded furlough. It may not be tomorrow but it will. Apollo has taken Atlas private and is answerable to no one. One great flaw in unions is they tend to think in the short term usually 5 or 6 years where the companies thinks in 30 year terms. That is why the company always win even though the pilot think they won.
Back to the subject. Welcome the Aussies with open arms. They are embarking on a great adventure. I know, I was one of them many years ago.
I just have to add a side comment so forgive me for getting off track. I have great memories at Polar and some of my best friends are still there so of course I would be interested in the Atlas story. There have been a lot of comments concerning lack of sims, shortage of pilots, and much other information. Well, you can toss it all out. D
o you think the lack of sims may be because Atlas management knew this was coming. As a refugee from the Ichan TWA days most of the comments are no longer relevant. Apollo runs the show now and if my experience is any guide I would be worried about the dreaded furlough. It may not be tomorrow but it will. Apollo has taken Atlas private and is answerable to no one. One great flaw in unions is they tend to think in the short term usually 5 or 6 years where the companies thinks in 30 year terms. That is why the company always win even though the pilot think they won.
Back to the subject. Welcome the Aussies with open arms. They are embarking on a great adventure. I know, I was one of them many years ago.
08-10-2022, 01:45 PM
#227
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Originally Posted by 3pointlanding
As a 30 year expat I can honestly say it is about opportunity and most enjoyed it especially the families. I took my girls on every long layover I could and on my days off. How many parents can say their kids have seen the Taj or the Red Fort in Agra, or climbed the Eiffel Tower, traveled the rivers of Europe. rode camels with the Bedouins in Saudi Arabia, or speak more languages than you can. And as for coming to the U.S, oh yeah, that''s the ticket and if an Aussie can make it more power to them. Our country is a great ride and enjoy it if you can.
I just have to add a side comment so forgive me for getting off track. I have great memories at Polar and some of my best friends are still there so of course I would be interested in the Atlas story. There have been a lot of comments concerning lack of sims, shortage of pilots, and much other information. Well, you can toss it all out. D
o you think the lack of sims may be because Atlas management knew this was coming. As a refugee from the Ichan TWA days most of the comments are no longer relevant. Apollo runs the show now and if my experience is any guide I would be worried about the dreaded furlough. It may not be tomorrow but it will. Apollo has taken Atlas private and is answerable to no one. One great flaw in unions is they tend to think in the short term usually 5 or 6 years where the companies thinks in 30 year terms. That is why the company always win even though the pilot think they won.
Back to the subject. Welcome the Aussies with open arms. They are embarking on a great adventure. I know, I was one of them many years ago.
I just have to add a side comment so forgive me for getting off track. I have great memories at Polar and some of my best friends are still there so of course I would be interested in the Atlas story. There have been a lot of comments concerning lack of sims, shortage of pilots, and much other information. Well, you can toss it all out. D
o you think the lack of sims may be because Atlas management knew this was coming. As a refugee from the Ichan TWA days most of the comments are no longer relevant. Apollo runs the show now and if my experience is any guide I would be worried about the dreaded furlough. It may not be tomorrow but it will. Apollo has taken Atlas private and is answerable to no one. One great flaw in unions is they tend to think in the short term usually 5 or 6 years where the companies thinks in 30 year terms. That is why the company always win even though the pilot think they won.
Back to the subject. Welcome the Aussies with open arms. They are embarking on a great adventure. I know, I was one of them many years ago.
Right now there is a change in ownership coming. Nobody is going to make any big changes until this deal closes. What happens after that is only known by Apollo leadership.
I don't worry because we are essentially facing the same sets of risks we faced a month ago. The economy in 1st quarter of 23 will be different from what we have today.
Very cool that you were able to get your family out and about with you. Those opportunities are fleeting, and I'm glad you enjoyed them.
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