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04-16-2023, 10:32 AM
#21
Disinterested Third Party
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,057
You got off OE at your regional eight months ago. You got off OE at ATI two months ago.
Slow down. You remind me of my dog at feeding time. Every time is the first time, and it's always an emergency.
Just a few months into your second job, and you've determined that you're at an awful company (that's been around a long time). Your first job was awful; you couldn't wait to get away. The world won't actually stop turning, if you don't make captain in a 747 tomorrow. You know that, right?
Given your extensive employment history, never having lasted a year and only on your second job, to which operator in your past can you compare your last two employers, to determine that they're "awful?" It certainly isn't a case of having had much better, so you have something against which to compare. This teenage-style angst will only harden your arteries and give you hypertension. You really don't have to have it all today. Or tomorrow. Relax. Breathe. Live. Stay in one place for more than a few months. This career is a journey. If you're hellbent on the destination, you may miss the best parts.
Slow down. You remind me of my dog at feeding time. Every time is the first time, and it's always an emergency.
Just a few months into your second job, and you've determined that you're at an awful company (that's been around a long time). Your first job was awful; you couldn't wait to get away. The world won't actually stop turning, if you don't make captain in a 747 tomorrow. You know that, right?
Given your extensive employment history, never having lasted a year and only on your second job, to which operator in your past can you compare your last two employers, to determine that they're "awful?" It certainly isn't a case of having had much better, so you have something against which to compare. This teenage-style angst will only harden your arteries and give you hypertension. You really don't have to have it all today. Or tomorrow. Relax. Breathe. Live. Stay in one place for more than a few months. This career is a journey. If you're hellbent on the destination, you may miss the best parts.
04-16-2023, 12:57 PM
#22
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Position: DHC-8 FO
Posts: 28
Originally Posted by CaptTX
For the record, I really do like the 2 week on/off schedule and I don't mind night flying; the company itself it awful. I've gotten ETOPS checked and I've learned a massive amount while being on the line.
My question of reapplying to Atlas was answered by a recruiter, I'll have to wait 1 year since last interview to reapply, so September 2023.
My question of reapplying to Atlas was answered by a recruiter, I'll have to wait 1 year since last interview to reapply, so September 2023.
Go interview at AA, if you get WB and you like it, stay, if not, go apply to Atlas in September.
Some people like Kalitta too if that's the life you want. Good luck.
04-18-2023, 11:55 AM
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2021
Posts: 100
If you are not happy and see no future at ATI, do yourself a favor and move on. This is the perfect time! Supplementals are very cyclic. The top dog today will be the bottom feeder tomorrow. I remember the days of the ABX/ATI fights here and ABX was the underdog that was getting sand kicked in their faces by ATI pilots, now it seems the roles have reversed (cyclic). As a supplemental pilot always remember you are the mistress not the wife to the contracting entity! As soon as you start acting like the wife i.e. wearing the Amazon uniform and sporting the bag tags like you are married to the contracting entity, something will happen that will quickly reminded you that you are the mistress, not the wife, they dont owe you ANYTHING especially loyalty. Food for Thought.
04-19-2023, 05:27 AM
#24
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2023
Posts: 60
You may want to reevaluate things if you’ve been this unhappy at both of your airline stops. Biggest advice I can give is moving to base is the biggest QOL jump you’ll ever have.
I’m assuming you live in DFW, I’d try like heck to get on at AA. You can drive to work and still have the opportunity for WB flying down the road.
I’m assuming you live in DFW, I’d try like heck to get on at AA. You can drive to work and still have the opportunity for WB flying down the road.
04-20-2023, 06:24 AM
#25
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Gear slinger
Posts: 2,909
Originally Posted by CaptTX
Here's some background.
I was at the regionals last year and I got the phone call from Atlas to interview. Was beyond excited, interviewed, and got a CJO. However just like right now there was a massive delay from getting the CJO to starting a class, and I also did not know what aircraft I would be assigned.
I was trying to get out of my regional ASAP with the terrible commute and lower pay. A buddy of mine at ATI recommended the place to me, was telling me all the "great" things at the company regarding their cozy relationship with Amazon including Amazon uniforms, easy mostly day flying, and a contract that was about to be signed by the Christmas peak. Also guaranteed flying the 767 off the bat.
I ended up going to ATI because they could get me a class date 2 weeks from that point and I wanted out of my regional. 6 months has passed and everything I was promised was either a lie or has completely changed since last year. The Amazon uniforms are dead, contract negotiations are now going to mediation after 1,000 days of failed negotiations, the abuse by crew scheduling because we are short pilots is appalling, and there is constant day-night swaps that is causing massive fatigue out on the line. Not to mention morale on the line is absolutely toxic, I am actually starting to dread going to fly.
I am currently entertaining the idea of going to AA or SWA because I live in base but I don't want to give up flying a heavy and cargo flying. I feel like a mad a massive mistake not waiting for a class at Atlas Air. My question is, because I had a perfectly good CJO that I turned down, if I tried to apply to Atlas again would I just be automatically rejected? I'm still pretty young so I've got time to jump around places to find my last airline.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
I was at the regionals last year and I got the phone call from Atlas to interview. Was beyond excited, interviewed, and got a CJO. However just like right now there was a massive delay from getting the CJO to starting a class, and I also did not know what aircraft I would be assigned.
I was trying to get out of my regional ASAP with the terrible commute and lower pay. A buddy of mine at ATI recommended the place to me, was telling me all the "great" things at the company regarding their cozy relationship with Amazon including Amazon uniforms, easy mostly day flying, and a contract that was about to be signed by the Christmas peak. Also guaranteed flying the 767 off the bat.
I ended up going to ATI because they could get me a class date 2 weeks from that point and I wanted out of my regional. 6 months has passed and everything I was promised was either a lie or has completely changed since last year. The Amazon uniforms are dead, contract negotiations are now going to mediation after 1,000 days of failed negotiations, the abuse by crew scheduling because we are short pilots is appalling, and there is constant day-night swaps that is causing massive fatigue out on the line. Not to mention morale on the line is absolutely toxic, I am actually starting to dread going to fly.
I am currently entertaining the idea of going to AA or SWA because I live in base but I don't want to give up flying a heavy and cargo flying. I feel like a mad a massive mistake not waiting for a class at Atlas Air. My question is, because I had a perfectly good CJO that I turned down, if I tried to apply to Atlas again would I just be automatically rejected? I'm still pretty young so I've got time to jump around places to find my last airline.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
04-20-2023, 06:58 AM
#26
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Position: Wichita
Posts: 691
Originally Posted by Otterbox
I don’t think ATI over Atlas was a mistake… they’re same same but different. I’d just try to go direct to AA or SWA from there.Their hiring has been more vacuum than screen lately so apply asap.
04-20-2023, 08:01 AM
#27
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2017
Position: 777 Left window seat
Posts: 641
Originally Posted by JackStraw
ATI isn’t diversified enough. Atlas does well in any economy because they find business all over the world not just by kissing Amazon’s @$$ so atlas is the better decision.
04-20-2023, 09:02 AM
#28
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 2,431
Originally Posted by Birdsmash
No argument there. However, if he could upgrade after a year or two after getting 1000 hrs 121 time wouldn’t ATI be the better bet if not intending to stay in the ACMI world?
06-05-2023, 07:31 AM
#30
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,324
Originally Posted by dera
I remember when many ATI guys were salivating over the potential that Amazon is going to buy you and it will be amazing. I never understood why Amazon buying an airline would be a good thing.
One of the most anti-union anti-labor anti-everything-that-matters-to-pilots companies owning you and you're thinking that's good?
One of the most anti-union anti-labor anti-everything-that-matters-to-pilots companies owning you and you're thinking that's good?
Although they sure seem to like vertical integration. I could possibly see it happening if the pilot shortage severely impacts their outsourced airlines... they know they could bring it in house, pay competitive wages and attract folks who might see an opportunity to get in early on the next FDX/UPS equivalent. Of course with pilots, sometimes all you need is a rumor to that effect lol.
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