Clue32

That's just like, your opinion man. It is also misguided and not based in reality.

NO WHERE does our contract state a minimum number of days on. It actually mandates a minimum of 13 days OFF per month (14 on 31 day months). This is significantly different. I pay attention to bid lines throughout our fleets and they are littered with lines that have 15-18 days OFF, some 20 and even 21.

17+ Days? Possible, but we are compensated if we work that and it would only be due to an act of God or the maintenance deamons.

Regional QOL?
My captains that put solid time at regionals are incredibly happy at Atlas. The regional grind was such that they have no desire to return to the Pax world, the very few exceptions being those who live in a major domicile.

I fly one leg per day, occasionally two. I don't do multiple hub turns each day through ORD, JFK, ATL, etc.
​​​5.5 hours block is about the most I'll ever do per day... except Ontario-Kona-Maui
I don't have to deal with TSA just to get to work.
​​​I don't spend my days in crowded terminals with clueless passengers.
I stay in good domestic hotels, I keep most of my points.
I don't have to Jumpseat. I am Premier 1K on United and usually get a first-class seat on domestic trips.
I don't have to pay for or fight over a crash pad.
I have been here for 2 Holiday seasons. I have never worked Thanksgiving, or Christmas, or the days before and after either, without using vacation.
I have gotten my 1st choice of vacations both years I've bid.

I could go on, but I have to marinate chicken for dinner. I am home, on 15 consecutive days off by the way...

awesymoto

your wrong. Chicken only needs salt pepper and lemon! 😂

Atlasvet

While you describe a lot of realities at Atlas, it is somewhat a futile undertaking. Much of the industry does not understand how we operate and perceive Atlas as a curious and underprivileged subset of the 121 world. I don't think many are able to comprehend that a high level of QOL and job satisfaction that can be achieved here.

Folks want to justify their own choices or their reality and somehow want to believe that other perception of Atlas must be correct.

Radials Rule

Didn’t make the cut?
Perhaps you did and washed out of training?

Whatever the case, you’re a bitter young/old man, bloviating from ignorance. I bet that you’re all kinds of fun with whom to fly.

Good riddance indeed.

C17B74

Obviously no knowledge of what we do, how we do it and most of it isn't work like everyone else at this point. Definitely could be better in some areas. You probably actually work, same days, same destinations, same day in and out. That's tough stuff just like the regionals in many ways although you wear name brand now. It should get better if you're at a Major I suppose. Have fun at AA, good times!

notthesame

It must be embarrassing to walk around all day every day with this level of pure misunderstanding of both pay rates and QOL.

Show me a 2-3 year FO at the regionals who works 15-17 days a month and made $200k. All while only actually working about 9 months a year and averaging 5-6 legs a month.

According to APC, you'd have to be an 8 year Captain at Skywest to make Atlas 3rd year 74 FO pay.

Taffik

Please correct my math. What am I missing here? A year 3 74 FO makes $170.74 x 64 x 12 months = $131 128.32 a year. Where are you guys getting 200k from? Don't get me wrong, I like the sound of 200k for a year 2-3 FO. I guess one will need to pick up trips to make it over the min 64?

nearly65

As some one who has done the 747 cargo grind for 25 years. It is no easy feat, 14 hour legs,short layovers.crappy hotels .sleeping around the clock.and being a menber of the walking dead when getting home after flying around the world for 2 weeks, it.s a young persons game .The RJ flying has its problems but there is no way you can compare the two pay scales. The 747 should pay way more than any domestic flying

C17B74

Definitely understated and well put. Especially the last sentence and that is fine. Overall, nothing is perfect for everyone no matter what outfit and myself and others have stumbled upon a gem. During my last pattern I was with a somewhat senior crew within our positions and we all agreed it's better just to keep our traps shut before too many good vibes get out and somehow ruins it. Until you experience anything it's somewhat hearsay and nothing lasts forever so enjoy the ride.

*Regarding the 25 year 747 grind there is no doubt historically it was dismal at several outfits. Things have definitely leap frogged the short layover's and crappy hotels especially here and pay should far exceed the regionals just based on profit margins alone. Definitely some generic and decent accommodation's state side with short layovers, but beyond our borders it's far better and even beyond an Oakwood or Cordis which are very nice as well. IC, Steinberger and The Ritz aren't too shabby every so often. Ooops, trap not shut.

**Not everyone is lucky enough to get some of the better runs, especially when stuck in the Asia loop/sectors when based far left. Everything does get old if you're unable to breakout of the same ops.

Clue32

They may be using Recruiter Math. Yes, budget for 64 Hours per month. 64 Hours... Read this next sentence with extreme caution. However, during the 8 - 9 months where you aren't training or on vacation, perhaps on the 747 you are bidding 75 - 85 hour lines. (This is why I'm considering a move from the 767 to the 747 after Christmas).

As for the Recruiter math...
Premium Pay: OT and Article 33 sure helps, but it is Seniority based and the timing has to align just right. People living in base probably have a skewed view of what OT most can get. And outbasing... bid for it, but abandon all hope of actually being awarded it until year 4+.
​​Per Diem: I don't consider this compensation as I eat out on the road, but catering raiders might.
12% DC: I won't see that money for 20 years, but some might add it up.


Someone's W2 may show 200K, but 130K is where your expectations should be.