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Old 06-25-2015, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Whiplash6 View Post
How's the training at Atlas?
70 +/- days long but not what I'd call thorough.

The Atlas schoolhouse new hire program is a teach-it-to-yourself deal.

There is no, for all practical purposes, classroom teaching of aircraft systems or flight procedures. It is all computer based "training" (i.e. slideshow watching) prior to the oral and flow memorization and non-standard "techniques" prior to the checkride.

Those with prior heavy Boeing experience seem to do better in the oral and those with heavy jet FMS experience seem to do better in the checkride. YMMV

Atlas is in the process of switching from the Pelesys CBT's to a new vendor, but it'll still be teaching by slideshow.

Atlas seems to rely on new hires to get a study group together with their classmates as a substitute for having an instructor available to teach and answer questions.

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Old 06-25-2015, 12:39 PM
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I would agree with DC8DRIVER's assessment of the new hire training program.
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Old 06-25-2015, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER View Post
70 +/- days long but not what I'd call thorough.

The Atlas schoolhouse new hire program is a teach-it-to-yourself deal.

There is no, for all practical purposes, classroom teaching of aircraft systems or flight procedures. It is all computer based "training" (i.e. slideshow watching) prior to the oral and flow memorization and non-standard "techniques" prior to the checkride.

Those with prior heavy Boeing experience seem to do better in the oral and those with heavy jet FMS experience seem to do better in the checkride. YMMV

Atlas is in the process of switching from the Pelesys CBT's to a new vendor, but it'll still be teaching by slideshow.

Atlas seems to rely on new hires to get a study group together with their classmates as a substitute for having an instructor available to teach and answer questions.

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I couldn't agree more. The good news is nearly everyone makes it through so long as you can maintain a good attitude. Just don't expect to be instructed by anything other than the manuals provided.
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Old 06-25-2015, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER View Post
70 +/- days long but not what I'd call thorough.

The Atlas schoolhouse new hire program is a teach-it-to-yourself deal.

There is no, for all practical purposes, classroom teaching of aircraft systems or flight procedures. It is all computer based "training" (i.e. slideshow watching) prior to the oral and flow memorization and non-standard "techniques" prior to the checkride.
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Atlas seems to rely on new hires to get a study group together with their classmates as a substitute for having an instructor available to teach and answer questions.

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^^^^ This right here ^^^^

I just finished....pretty much a self-taught 747 program. Crazy.

FWIW, I was among the first in my class to finish at 65 days.
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Old 06-25-2015, 08:28 PM
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I don't disagree with the statements above and even the sentiment above, but how is the way Atlas training works any different than any other major airline program? All have changed to CBT-based instruction. And therefore the old-style lecture-based classroom work is obsolete in the industry.

I do agree the program is hampered by the complexity of our operations, the many different types of 747s in our fleet, and complicated by the shockingly disorganized company website...well, never mind, it is actually a good introduction to your life as an Atlas pilot...chaotic and stressful.

So, in fact, it is actually the best training in the world...there is nothing to see here, move on please!!
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Old 06-26-2015, 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 744driver View Post
I don't disagree with the statements above and even the sentiment above, but how is the way Atlas training works any different than any other major airline program? All have changed to CBT-based instruction. And therefore the old-style lecture-based classroom work is obsolete in the industry.
FWIW, my experience at Atlas for 767 training was nearly the same as my experience when I did 737 training some years back. Both courses were mostly CBT-taught with occasionally instructor-based review that focuses on questions and prep for the FAA oral exam.

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Old 06-26-2015, 08:20 AM
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Hey all,

Just got the test email. Any good intel out there on the current stuff? I hear the test has been through a few iterations since I applied a year ago. Any help is appreciated.

I'm a 4,500 hr ex C-5 guy. Thanks in advance!

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Old 06-26-2015, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 744driver View Post
I don't disagree with the statements above and even the sentiment above, but how is the way Atlas training works any different than any other major airline program? All have changed to CBT-based instruction. And therefore the old-style lecture-based classroom work is obsolete in the industry.

I do agree the program is hampered by the complexity of our operations, the many different types of 747s in our fleet, and complicated by the shockingly disorganized company website...well, never mind, it is actually a good introduction to your life as an Atlas pilot...chaotic and stressful.

So, in fact, it is actually the best training in the world...there is nothing to see here, move on please!!

Having recently moved on, I agree that other airlines use the CBT method, but in my experience the Atlas CBTs were substantially worse than others in quality and current content. I know they are planning a new system and hopefully that will help. The program also needs to move out of the past and join the current airline training movement. Training someone for 2 months in the left seat and wanting them to "demonstrate captain authority" on a checkride in the left seat is ridiculous. Even worse is then only giving them about 2 hours of training in the right seat before sending them to OE. Train them for the job you want them to do. This was my experience at Atlas and it was completely different at my new job. Maybe the eventual move to AQP will help with that. That's probably on the same schedule as the 777s


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Old 06-26-2015, 08:25 AM
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Hey all,

Just got the test email. Any good intel out there on the current stuff? Any help is appreciated.

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Old 06-26-2015, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnnyrocket View Post
Hey all,

Just got the test email. Any good intel out there on the current stuff? I hear the test has been through a few iterations since I applied a year ago. Any help is appreciated.

I'm a 4,500 hr ex C-5 guy. Thanks in advance!

Cheers
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