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Old 08-02-2019 | 01:32 PM
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Latest update from our tireless negotiations committee. The company decided to throw the Union a bone by TAing Deadheading and Hostile Area. They had to after missing estimates and reporting losses to the shareholders of 20% over last year due to “labor disruptions”. They’ve only had those articles for over 2 years....at this rate the other 18 major articles left open will be done by 2035.

None of the company decision makers showed for Scope negotiations, they assume if a future arbitrator gets Scope he’ll allow AAWH to wipe out all our industry standard or better hard fought gains by dry leasing all our jobs away with the stroke of a pen. No need to waste the executives valuable time...

The company also has another lawsuit waiting in the wings against the pilots for “an uptick in fatigue calls” in violation of an injunction from the last lawsuit; as they refuse to cut block hours again and instead work the dwindling number of pilots here to death. Mgt will be all smiles if the Judge imposes a monetary fine on the pilots this time.

Frank Lorenzo would be proud.
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Old 08-02-2019 | 09:09 PM
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I hear Amerijet is hiring fo for the 767. Any insight on that operation.
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Old 08-27-2019 | 05:28 AM
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Pilots lost the amalgamation arbitration. No vote on any contract within the next two decades. RUN. RUN FAR AWAY. I'm a 747 Captain and my apps are out.


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Old 08-27-2019 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Transition
Teamsters lost the amalgamation arbitration.
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‘Anti-labor judge’
‘Pro corporate arbitration’
Those terms are getting old bro, so are loosing strategies.
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Old 08-29-2019 | 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
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‘Anti-labor judge’

‘Pro corporate arbitration’

Those terms are getting old bro, so are loosing strategies.


This guy doesn't understand that the pilots are the union. The pilots lost this round. And every other round. This place is dead.
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Old 08-29-2019 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
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‘Anti-labor judge’
‘Pro corporate arbitration’
Those terms are getting old bro, so are loosing strategies.
"Losing strategies"...........as you say, also free of charge.
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Old 08-29-2019 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
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‘Anti-labor judge’
‘Pro corporate arbitration’
Those terms are getting old bro, so are loosing strategies.
What strategy would compel this particular mgmt group to do anything they didn’t want to do. I think most of us have come to the conclusion that these are willing to absorb considerable punishment to get the cba they want on the timeline they want.
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Old 08-30-2019 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by kodiakallstar
What strategy would compel this particular mgmt group to do anything they didn’t want to do...
Information, transparency and facts bring leverage and better decisions. There are plenty of ways to do this without violating an NDA or otherwise disclosing privileged information. Forget the personalities and style. Numbers speak.
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Old 09-16-2019 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by V1AutoPilot
No K4, and I've read a fair amount of the threads. Plenty of friends at Atlas and WG. Many on 767 / 747 for Atlas.

Leaning towards Atlas seeing as I don't mind working extra for some pay. Probably stay until Delta or Southwest offers come (probably 5-8 years on a conservative estimate). Heavy type and international experience can never hurt.

I suppose I just don't want to go into Atlas blind and find any strongly sickening info too late. Care to hit me with some mines I'll be dodging? Besides the whipsaw and contract negotiations. If Atlas wants to keep Amazon a contract is inevitable and I imagine will be Kalitta pay at minimum for industry standard.

You can not count on over time. It comes and goes, now with aircraft moving to other operators it’s going somewhere else.
OT goes senior, so as a junior pilot you’ll see very little.

BUT if you’re lucky enough to get overtime, you’ve already put in 17 days of work and don’t forget the two days of travel =19 days.
Now you want to fly more? You’re putting yourself out almost the entire month. Guys do it. But they have no life and no family. They actually consider their family and fun time at work.

When you can’t hold OT, you’re other option is out basing = scheduling ***** for the whole month. Not at home, some other country.


Atlas training is dismal at best, you jeopardize your ticket with a failure.
And once on line, scheduling will hook you up with a potential violation when they secretly removed the safety flags for scheduling hours. There are over a 100 currently affected.
Maintenance is a constant battle to make sure they don’t pencil whip aircraft (which they do). There’s a long list of reasons not to come here, so I would keep researching before you jump in.

If Atless gets their wish wages will be suppressed another 8 years at current book. I think that’s a death wish but their wish none the less.
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Old 11-15-2019 | 07:47 AM
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Once again stonewalled at the negotiating table. This company is constantly playing fast and loose with our careers. While other companies are currently in Section 6 and enacting mid-contract raises to remain competitive in an attempt to corner the pilot market, Atlas is determined to win an arbitrated, amalgamated contract while the talent leaves for greener pastures. This company is a hollow shell of what it used to be and what it could have been. They're even getting destroyed and called out about their weird tactics by their investors on earnings calls. Atlas is a dumpster fire. I'm a 747 Captain weighing a move back to the regionals. It's just not worth my time anymore. I'm leaving tons of money and quality of life on the table while the company tries to bet against proven economic principles.
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