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12-07-2019, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
Alaska and Virgin just proved that’s not how that works. The threat of “Amalgamation“ was the probably biggest lie told by the union. Regardless, that threat has now passed with the parity of Southern. What’s the next excuse?
Next time daddy management tells you they want to pay you more, if you happen to find some guts, ask them to put it in writing and give it to us. The fact of the matter is they have no intention of doing anything but suppressing our CBA as much as they possibly can. That is the fact of our situation. That is what you signed up for and that is what you will keep until you fly your last flight before retirement if left up to the boys in Purchase.
12-07-2019, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
That condescending and unprofessional attitude is exactly what people are talking about. Keep it coming though, you’re making my point. The APU drive might fail, but we certainly will never recover the pay that’s been lost due to your losing strategy. It might just put the company out of business. We have squandered the greatest economic and negotiating climate of our lives. If you all had just followed the contract we would be starting negotiations again right about now. Either way, your group will be going the way of the Dodo after this is sorted out like it could have been 3+ years ago.
12-07-2019, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
The threat didn't just "pass". The threat was eliminated by the union. Now we are working on eliminating the huge downside that is arbitration. I am sure you are quick to point out we always lose arbitrations yet you want us to move quickly for an arbitrator to decide our future CBA. How do you think an arbitrated CBA would work out for us?
Next time daddy management tells you they want to pay you more, if you happen to find some guts, ask them to put it in writing and give it to us. The fact of the matter is they have no intention of doing anything but suppressing our CBA as much as they possibly can. That is the fact of our situation. That is what you signed up for and that is what you will keep until you fly your last flight before retirement if left up to the boys in Purchase.
Next time daddy management tells you they want to pay you more, if you happen to find some guts, ask them to put it in writing and give it to us. The fact of the matter is they have no intention of doing anything but suppressing our CBA as much as they possibly can. That is the fact of our situation. That is what you signed up for and that is what you will keep until you fly your last flight before retirement if left up to the boys in Purchase.
12-07-2019, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
That condescending and unprofessional attitude is exactly what people are talking about. Keep it coming though, you’re making my point. The APU drive might fail, but we certainly will never recover the pay that’s been lost due to your losing strategy. It might just put the company out of business. We have squandered the greatest economic and negotiating climate of our lives. If you all had just followed the contract we would be starting negotiations again right about now. Either way, your group will be going the way of the Dodo after this is sorted out like it could have been 3+ years ago.
Put the company out of business? That's a pretty uneducated way of viewing things. Management clearly has you brainwashed. Sad really. How many of these company agents are left on the seniority list? I thought they all retired. In any event I hope our union continues on the same path they're on. We're in the fight of our lives. Lead, follow or get out of the way.
12-07-2019, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
Oh yeah? How hard did you work to bring Southern up to parity? Newsflash, we are getting an arbitrated contract. I am just happy that on your month of UB, you can squeeze in time to educate a poor management stooge like me.
Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
This isn’t giantcomms, you can’t just delete every contrary opinion and silence anyone who might not share your militant, burn-it-down attitude. You’re truly doing God’s work, hold the line, All In, Contract 2017!
Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
Also, the “daddy” thing you keep doing doesn’t bother me, but it is really odd.
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12-08-2019, 04:10 AM
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None of this mess gets us anywhere. Biquering leads to hot heads and more digging in of heels. We all lose credibility with this stuff too.
On a side note, please file ASAPs and get relevant FC(I)Rs on file. ASAPs in particular are free and low-risk (unless we're talking about willful disregard). You're not going to foul-up your friends with ASAPs since their window to file opens when they learn of a problem.
No help is coming. We're going to have to do this on our own.
On a side note, please file ASAPs and get relevant FC(I)Rs on file. ASAPs in particular are free and low-risk (unless we're talking about willful disregard). You're not going to foul-up your friends with ASAPs since their window to file opens when they learn of a problem.
No help is coming. We're going to have to do this on our own.
12-08-2019, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
There has been far too much insult-trading here. Discuss the contract, not each other, or the thread will close.
We can vote on who.....or get it arbitrated.
01-07-2020, 06:52 PM
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Sooooo, the hiring of P. Douglas McKeen (by the company?) for the intent of negotiations - Will this help or hurt?
Not asking for the standard Capt Obvious “whatever the company does is hurtful!”
Any relevant discussion/thoughts?
Not asking for the standard Capt Obvious “whatever the company does is hurtful!”
Any relevant discussion/thoughts?
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