Originally Posted by N19906
(Post 3301011)
Thanks guys.
They’ve had it for a couple of weeks, so, fingers crossed. I recently spoke with a guy who left them a couple of months ago. He lasted less than a year, (they had a kid, so the schedule became impossible with the newborn). He said half of his class had already left, and several more were sitting on CJO’s. Their attrition is very high at the moment. Yes, more then half of the departures are on property less then a year. Fact. Now these cats don’t leave for a regional, they leave mostly for the Majors. So that’s a good thing, for them. Shows that even a short stint at Atlas makes you more marketable. In addition if you hire a lot of former military (any branch really), these pilots just need a civilian type and 5-700 hrs 121. Coming from a SE fighter you’ll need some 121 Multi engine multi crew time to perk up your resume. In addition, if you hire furloughed pilots or from an airline that tanked in ‘20, you’ll loose most of those to the Majors as that was their goal all along too. They were just looking for a seat when the music stopped. Domestic situation recovered quicker then expected and now the floodgates are open. But there’s a little bit more nuance to it then just “all the newbies quit”. |
Hiring
What’s the latest with hiring at Southern and Atlas, struggling to fill classes or still fine with the current crop of regional pilots?
I heard they are looking at Aussie pilots on the E3 visa again, however It’s just what I heard from somebody, don’t know how true it is. I presume there is a lot of unhappiness though within the group regarding the new contract so people will move on. Does anybody expect mass resignations or any kind of difficulty for the Atlas group to maintain the current numbers they have? |
I feel that they will not have trouble getting people in (especially from the regionals). Keeping them to stay on for the long term is a different story. Perhaps, they are ok with that.
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Originally Posted by CaptYoda
(Post 3301754)
I feel that they will not have trouble getting people in (especially from the regionals). Keeping them to stay on for the long term is a different story. Perhaps, they are ok with that.
A couple years ago on a company crew call, the previous CEO(Flynn) was asked a question about hiring, which he mentioned something about lowering hiring minimums to attract “quality candidates”. On a follow up question, a pilot asked “Do you think it’s safe to operate these aircraft in the environment that we do with a bunch of low time pilots”, or something to that effect. The response from Flynn was “It doesn’t matter if a pilot has 1500 hours or 15,000 hours…an ATP is an ATP and fully qualified to do this job.” That tells you safety is not a concern for them…staffing the airline is all they care about and they will go as low as legally allowed to. Thankfully the FAA requires an ATP at least or they would be hiring pilots straight out of flight school. |
Originally Posted by CaptYoda
(Post 3301754)
I feel that they will not have trouble getting people in (especially from the regionals). Keeping them to stay on for the long term is a different story. Perhaps, they are ok with that.
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Originally Posted by Egg320
(Post 3301743)
What’s the latest with hiring at Southern and Atlas, struggling to fill classes or still fine with the current crop of regional pilots?
I heard they are looking at Aussie pilots on the E3 visa again, however It’s just what I heard from somebody, don’t know how true it is. I presume there is a lot of unhappiness though within the group regarding the new contract so people will move on. Does anybody expect mass resignations or any kind of difficulty for the Atlas group to maintain the current numbers they have? Where O where should Atlas be getting its pilots, according to you? FedEx, Delta, United etc hire pilots right out of the regionals by the way... |
Originally Posted by Lionhaart
(Post 3302138)
Not sure why regional pilots get such a bad rap. They are solid pilots and many of us came from that world.
Where O where should Atlas be getting its pilots, according to you? FedEx, Delta, United etc hire pilots right out of the regionals by the way... |
Originally Posted by Lionhaart
(Post 3302138)
Not sure why regional pilots get such a bad rap. They are solid pilots and many of us came from that world.
Where O where should Atlas be getting its pilots, according to you? FedEx, Delta, United etc hire pilots right out of the regionals by the way... I love that we have hired so many because they know how a union is supposed to work, they know how a training dept is supposed to work, they know their way around an FMS, they know how LAX, SFO, SEA, ORD, DFW, JFK, ATL and MIA work in all weather conditions. There's a very ignorant prejudice against them simply because they haven't been to China or flown a widebody. Big deal. That takes about 3-6 months on the line to build new habits. |
Originally Posted by zerozero
(Post 3302164)
I'm a relatively senior 747 Capt with zero regional experience but you'll never hear me giving a regional pilot a bad rap.
I love that we have hired so many because they know how a union is supposed to work, they know how a training dept is supposed to work, they know their way around an FMS, they know how LAX, SFO, SEA, ORD, DFW, JFK, ATL and MIA work in all weather conditions. There's a very ignorant prejudice against them simply because they haven't been to China or flown a widebody. Big deal. That takes about 3-6 months on the line to build new habits. Like you I have seen some very experienced operators who have a lot more flying skill than a ‘Heavy’ pilot that hardly flies that often. |
Originally Posted by zerozero
(Post 3302164)
I'm a relatively senior 747 Capt with zero regional experience but you'll never hear me giving a regional pilot a bad rap.
I love that we have hired so many because they know how a union is supposed to work, they know how a training dept is supposed to work, they know their way around an FMS, they know how LAX, SFO, SEA, ORD, DFW, JFK, ATL and MIA work in all weather conditions. There's a very ignorant prejudice against them simply because they haven't been to China or flown a widebody. Big deal. That takes about 3-6 months on the line to build new habits. |
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