Atlas Air Hiring
08-12-2023, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tfranks9214
Here's a rather silly question. How competitive is 1,300 hours with an F-18 background? Starting the search after the military life?
The term "competitive" is the hard part to quantify. You will get a job, but I am speaking out of turn regarding Atlas. I don't have that information so please forgive me if I am off point.
My thoughts are that you have more than enough for restricted atp, but you will still need ATPCTP. Atlas has one: https://www.atlasairtrainingcenter.com/atp-ctp/
For what it is worth, VA benefits can be used to pay for a 747 type rating, or at least I have seen it on one of the government sites.
There is probably a program to pay for the ATPCTP course with GI Bill or some other military/veteran program.
It seems like everyone has a military transition program. If you're going to be CONUS in October, I think Atlas is going to be at RTAG in Ft Worth. Might be good chance to get face to face. Reach out to [[email protected]]
I hope I said something useful.
08-12-2023, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Purpo
The term "competitive" is the hard part to quantify. You will get a job, but I am speaking out of turn regarding Atlas. I don't have that information so please forgive me if I am off point.
My thoughts are that you have more than enough for restricted atp, but you will still need ATPCTP. Atlas has one: https://www.atlasairtrainingcenter.com/atp-ctp/
For what it is worth, VA benefits can be used to pay for a 747 type rating, or at least I have seen it on one of the government sites.
There is probably a program to pay for the ATPCTP course with GI Bill or some other military/veteran program.
It seems like everyone has a military transition program. If you're going to be CONUS in October, I think Atlas is going to be at RTAG in Ft Worth. Might be good chance to get face to face. Reach out to [[email protected]]
I hope I said something useful.
My thoughts are that you have more than enough for restricted atp, but you will still need ATPCTP. Atlas has one: https://www.atlasairtrainingcenter.com/atp-ctp/
For what it is worth, VA benefits can be used to pay for a 747 type rating, or at least I have seen it on one of the government sites.
There is probably a program to pay for the ATPCTP course with GI Bill or some other military/veteran program.
It seems like everyone has a military transition program. If you're going to be CONUS in October, I think Atlas is going to be at RTAG in Ft Worth. Might be good chance to get face to face. Reach out to [[email protected]]
I hope I said something useful.
Those are two separate certificates. Theoretically, a private pilot can earn a 747 type rating. Likewise, you can earn a single engine ATP. Neither option is very useful, but it's legal.
Whether or not an applicant should earn an ATP before applying is not my business to say, but personally, I wouldn't waste any time or money on a 747 type rating for two reasons:
1) The new hire will have to complete the entire Atlas 747 type rating course anyway. Pass or Fail.
2) You'll probably just confuse yourself due to "Law of Primacy" when differences emerge between the generic type rating and the specific Atlas training.
08-13-2023, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by zerozero
I would just caution to not conflate a 747 type rating with an ATP.
Those are two separate certificates. Theoretically, a private pilot can earn a 747 type rating. Likewise, you can earn a single engine ATP. Neither option is very useful, but it's legal.
Whether or not an applicant should earn an ATP before applying is not my business to say, but personally, I wouldn't waste any time or money on a 747 type rating for two reasons:
1) The new hire will have to complete the entire Atlas 747 type rating course anyway. Pass or Fail.
2) You'll probably just confuse yourself due to "Law of Primacy" when differences emerge between the generic type rating and the specific Atlas training.
Those are two separate certificates. Theoretically, a private pilot can earn a 747 type rating. Likewise, you can earn a single engine ATP. Neither option is very useful, but it's legal.
Whether or not an applicant should earn an ATP before applying is not my business to say, but personally, I wouldn't waste any time or money on a 747 type rating for two reasons:
1) The new hire will have to complete the entire Atlas 747 type rating course anyway. Pass or Fail.
2) You'll probably just confuse yourself due to "Law of Primacy" when differences emerge between the generic type rating and the specific Atlas training.
All good points, Skipper. I agree with you completely.
I sort of rambled and probably could have written it better. Regarding the ATP, at no point did I intimate or intend to conflate the ATP with any rating.
I was talking about veteran education benefits.
The point was that IF veteran benefits will pay for a type rating, then they might also pay for the ATPCTP with the same funding programs.
That's really what I was getting at...
08-13-2023, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by zerozero
You'll probably just confuse yourself due to "Law of Primacy" when differences emerge between the generic type rating and the specific Atlas training.
If you cant do that, maybe you just shouldn't be a pilot.
08-13-2023, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by crjflyer0023
This is BS. The law of primacy is BS. You can easily remove from your brain what you dont want, and learn the new ways. I've flown the same plane with 3 different airlines with different ways of each, and did not have any problem at all switching it all around.
If you cant do that, maybe you just shouldn't be a pilot.
If you cant do that, maybe you just shouldn't be a pilot.
08-14-2023, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by crjflyer0023
This is BS. The law of primacy is BS. You can easily remove from your brain what you dont want, and learn the new ways. I've flown the same plane with 3 different airlines with different ways of each, and did not have any problem at all switching it all around.
If you cant do that, maybe you just shouldn't be a pilot.
If you cant do that, maybe you just shouldn't be a pilot.
Taking a type rating course somewhere else is overkill and probably negative training.
08-14-2023, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by crjflyer0023
This is BS. The law of primacy is BS. You can easily remove from your brain what you dont want, and learn the new ways. I've flown the same plane with 3 different airlines with different ways of each, and did not have any problem at all switching it all around.
If you cant do that, maybe you just shouldn't be a pilot.
If you cant do that, maybe you just shouldn't be a pilot.
Universally, bad attitudes and unchecked arrogance drive the most failures in training. You will do well to sit down, shut up, and gain wisdom before arrogantly declaring long-held truths as “BS”.
08-15-2023, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by crjflyer0023
This is BS. The law of primacy is BS. You can easily remove from your brain what you dont want, and learn the new ways. I've flown the same plane with 3 different airlines with different ways of each, and did not have any problem at all switching it all around.
If you cant do that, maybe you just shouldn't be a pilot.
If you cant do that, maybe you just shouldn't be a pilot.
08-15-2023, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by crjflyer0023
This is BS. The law of primacy is BS. You can easily remove from your brain what you dont want, and learn the new ways. I've flown the same plane with 3 different airlines with different ways of each, and did not have any problem at all switching it all around.
If you cant do that, maybe you just shouldn't be a pilot.
If you cant do that, maybe you just shouldn't be a pilot.
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