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Old 01-24-2014 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DjHubberts
So how the heck does this work. Saw an Atlas plane in Tianjin (China).... Operating as 'Qantas operated by Atlas'..... So let me get this straight, its a US registered airplane, operating for an Australian carrier in China....?
It gets worse. Was flying a -8 painted in Etihad colors under a Giant callsign in the US. Many time you have to start the briefing with who we're going to be today.
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Old 01-24-2014 | 08:45 PM
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Okay, I've got one...

DHL cargo on board a 767-300F in DHL colors, flying an airplane owned by DHL, but on the Atlas AOC, on a Polar route authority, with Atlas crews, and a Polar callsign...

Confused?...me too!!
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Old 01-24-2014 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Missedapproach
I've been old in a class and had a high last four in another. I would say the least discriminatory method is just to draw a name from a hat. No one does that. My most recent class I was 5 of 14 and after 10 years I'm #1 of 2 remaining. My point is it changes and it is only among 10-12 guys so in the grand scheme of things it may not matter as much as we worry about.
What he said. Though I do start with a 9....
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Old 01-25-2014 | 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp
It gets worse. Was flying a -8 painted in Etihad colors under a Giant callsign in the US. Many time you have to start the briefing with who we're going to be today.
I heard a "Giant" flight departing CVG one morning who accidentally called Tower using "Polar". Really confused the tower controller who apparently had no idea that the two call signs were the same company.
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Old 01-25-2014 | 05:45 AM
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Heck, that happens all the time. First couple days a of the trip with a Qantas call sign, then next day a Giant call sign, followed by Etihad and finally Polar. Sometimes it takes a while to get into the call sign of the day. Just another week at Atlas.
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Old 01-25-2014 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhino12
Feel free not to apply if you don't like the BS regarding the SSN seniority. It's probably BS that a younger guy hired before you shouldn't be senior to you too, right?
Yeah, that's it.

Certainly don't mean to pee in anyone's Cheerios....if it works for you, that's great. However, using SSN defies the mandatory retirement/ age /seniority logic (as if there was ever any logic in the first place) in this industry.


For what it's worth, I turned down the class date.
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Old 01-25-2014 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver
Heck, that happens all the time. First couple days a of the trip with a Qantas call sign, then next day a Giant call sign, followed by Etihad and finally Polar. Sometimes it takes a while to get into the call sign of the day. Just another week at Atlas.
Yep! One of my most important items in the brain bag is a bunch of notepads so I can write the "call sign of the day" and stick it on the panel in front of me.
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Old 01-25-2014 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruise
Yeah, that's it.

Certainly don't mean to pee in anyone's Cheerios....if it works for you, that's great. However, using SSN defies the mandatory retirement/ age /seniority logic (as if there was ever any logic in the first place) in this industry.


For what it's worth, I turned down the class date.
This is driven by HR, so you can thank you local lawyers for this. I think if you check every airline now uses a similar process. 10 or 15 years ago it might have been different, but avoiding age discrimination lawsuits is driving this.
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Old 01-25-2014 | 08:50 AM
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Still Birthdate at K4.... and the company before that as well...
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Old 01-25-2014 | 09:03 AM
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It's not a big deal in a normal class size, anyway. I've worked at companies with birthdays used, numbers pulled out of a hat, and SSN (high or low being good). Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. System wide, it doesn't mean much unless you're really unlucky during a furlough.

Originally Posted by Paok
Last four of social. Or you could be completely randomly assigned to aircraft types out of seniority order :/
I heard about that...did that ever get worked out? Seems like it'd be a slam dunk grievance...
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