Logging flight time
09-05-2014, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by WARich
Sorry but probably the dumb question of the day, but how do I log 121 time? Is it from take off to landing or what?
09-05-2014, 09:50 PM
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Are you sure about that jns? Block to block is for pay, but Fight time per the FAA is anytime the aircraft is moving under it's own power (with intent to get airborne)...so start of taxi for departure to stop taxi on arrival. Right? If you are getting pushed back from a gate, I don't think you can count that with "block to block".
09-05-2014, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Kuma
Are you sure about that jns? Block to block is for pay, but Fight time per the FAA is anytime the aircraft is moving under it's own power (with intent to get airborne)...so start of taxi for departure to stop taxi on arrival. Right? If you are getting pushed back from a gate, I don't think you can count that with "block to block".
09-05-2014, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Kuma
Thanks jns. I didn't know. I guess that is why I asked...because I thought it was something else.
09-06-2014, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns
Never been accuses in 38 years in the industry with falsification of records. My trip sheets from all carriers I've flow for both US carriers and foreign carriers match what's in my log book. Which has been off blocks to on blocks... So yeah Kuma, Besides me, the FAA, and DGCAs of other countries I have ATPs with feel pretty confident my log book is in order.
In your last post - you even say that your company logs from the ACARS which is breaks release (start of movement) to brakes set (end of movement) - which seems more in line with what Kuma proposed. How is block to block defined? In any case WARich - are you asking about the difference between the way your flight time was logged in the military (takeoff to landing I'm assuming) and the way the civilians logged time (as discussed above to include taxi and such)?
09-06-2014, 06:03 AM
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09-06-2014, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Spoilers
09-06-2014, 07:13 AM
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All of your FTDT hourly limits are based on out and in, not off and on.
The ACARS will start your block out time when NOT being moved under it's own power.
So per the FAA. the "out time" recorded by the plane being pushed by a tug should not be counted as flight time but it will be counted as flight time as it relates to FTDT hourly limits?? Doesn't make sense. Well, it's the FAA
In the end. It doesn't matter. Most of the guys I fly with don't even keep a logbook, they sure as heck don't care about whether that .1 was legit.
Military guys, it's different. But 121 guys, just log the out and in and call it a day.
The ACARS will start your block out time when NOT being moved under it's own power.
So per the FAA. the "out time" recorded by the plane being pushed by a tug should not be counted as flight time but it will be counted as flight time as it relates to FTDT hourly limits?? Doesn't make sense. Well, it's the FAA
In the end. It doesn't matter. Most of the guys I fly with don't even keep a logbook, they sure as heck don't care about whether that .1 was legit.
Military guys, it's different. But 121 guys, just log the out and in and call it a day.
Last edited by The Juice; 09-06-2014 at 07:33 AM.
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